The Resurrection On One Of The Sabbaths ?

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[Alex Murphy]

Pmary65
Since Jun 3, 2009

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[Jewbacca]

Passover in Israel is 7 days, not 8.

The eighth day was added during the Diaspora because of concerns that local calendars/times might be off.

[D Rider]

Seems like a wordy way to say that a Friday crucifixion is impossible since the sabbath following a passover is a high sabbath, and a high sabbath never falls on a regular sabbath. And the scripture records this when Joseph of Aramathia asks Pilate for Jesus’s Body...etc.

[Androcles]

What was the middle bit?

[Jewbacca]

I guess; I’m Jewish and just happend to see the 8th day reference, and knew that was wrong.

To me, this basic mess-up would call into question anything else in the article.

[D Rider]

Many Christian traditions are based on the misunderstanding of a group of books written by Jews, which includes the New Testamnent.

[Pmary65]

I’m a Seeker of truth not an expert!

[Diego1618]

In those verses we commonly find the Koine Greek phrase; 'μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων' which is transliterated 'mia ton Sabbaton' and is translated to literally mean; 'one of the Sabbaths'

The actual translation is "MIA TWN SABBATWN". Sabbaton is not Sabbatwn

Sabbaton is the invented Greek word for Sabbath (the Greeks had no such word....or day). Sabbatwn is also an invented Greek word meaning "Special Sabbath". If you look at the link you'll notice that in each case where the word Sabbatwn is used it designates either an Annual Sabbath (one of God's seven) or it designates one of the seven Special Sabbaths between Passover and Pentecost.

All of the resurrection passages use the word Sabbatwn, not Sabbaton. These are [Matthew 28:1][Mark 16:2][Luke 24:1] and [John 20:1]. In addition you'll also notice the word Sabbatwn describing the Sabbath in [Acts 20:7] and [I Corinthians 16:2] which are verses always included in an incorrect attempt to prove up a Sunday resurrection. If it is a normal Sabbath being referenced the New Testament will use the word Sabbaton, Sabbasin......or if the word Sabbath is an adjective (like in Sabbath day) it will be Sabbatou. Sabbtw is the singular form of Sabbatwn.

The word Sabbaton is derived from the Hebrew and the associated words in the link come from the Hebrew also. Here is [Leviticus 23:32] describing the "Day of Atonement" from The Tanakh [32 šabaṯ šabāṯwōn hû’ lāḵem wə‘innîṯem ’eṯ-nafəšōṯêḵem bəṯišə‘â laḥōḏeš bā‘ereḇ mē‘ereḇ ‘aḏ-‘ereḇ tišəbəṯû šabatəḵem: f] This is the Hebrew with English script and pronunciation....obviously.

As you can see.....the Apostles attempted to transliterate the same sound of Sabatwon (Hebrew) into Sabbatwn (Greek) when referencing a "Special Sabbath" and you also find this usage in the Septuagint as well.

SABBATWN in the Greek is never used to describe an ordinary Sabbath.....only the Sabbath on which the resurrection occurred or an annual Sabbath....one of seven.

[Pmary65]

The Jewish Historian Josephus (~70 A.D.) The Antiquities of the Jews , Book 2 Chapter 15 Line 315-7 says; “So the Hebrews went out of Egypt, while the Egyptians wept...it is that in memory...we keep a feast for eight days.”
As well for the benefit of the dispersed community,a diaspora Passover period was introduced later around 360 C.E. by the famous Jewish Mathematician - Astonomer Ben Hillel II. He correctly regulated the 19 year metonic (lunar-solar)cycle calendar with intercalary months and lengthened the various feast periods with Passover extending to Nisan 22nd.

[Pmary65]

Keep in mind that “The sign of Jonah’ was the only sign given !

[Pmary65]

Could you please be a little more specific as in the ‘middle bit’ about what?

[Pmary65]

Again - The famous Jewish Historian Josephus(70 A.D.) describes Passover as; “eight days” in Antiquities of The Jews- Book 2 Chapter 15 Paragraph 1 Line 317.
As well, Antiquities of The Jews Book 11 Chapter 4 Verse 8 Line 110 says; “ And they offered... the Passover, on the fourteenth day...”
Most people when they hear the phrase ‘8th day’ think of it as a misnomer for Sunday.That’s not what I’ve been making reference to.
PS. Be proud of who you are and of those whom you’ve came out of! You’ve rubbed off in a very good way.

[Pmary65]

Truly Amazing! A difference in spelling by the changing of one small letter can ascertain a meaning of significance correctly attributed to the one Greek word; ‘Sabbatwn’.
Thank You very much for the clarification.

[D Rider]

Keep in mind that “The sign of Jonah’ was the only sign given !

Which pretty much eliminates a Friday crucifixion anyway.

[Diego1618]

You are very welcome.

[Langel]

What you have indicated is that a sabbath was the true original day for the Lord’s resurrection. If this was the case as you have explained it, how then was it that the eighth day known as SUNDAY and as the first day of the week did become the mainstream staple for Christian weekly worship?

[Pmary65]

This is not an easy question to answer. There is much to take into account for the transformation of Sabbath to Sunday worship for Christianity. I will keep it to a brief minimal. History shows that after the fall of Jerusalem (~68 A.D.) Judean-Christian practices were suppressed and dissolved under the influences of the early Caesars permeating to an all time low. A new premise for Christians eventually opened up under the campaign of Emperor ‘Constantine the Great’ (~324 – 337 C.E.)
In his civil reign magistrates complied with legislated Sunday observance (~321 C.E.) in all of the Roman Empire.
New considerations followed for Christians by the established dual Church-State formation giving organization to a string of church councils. A formal gathering of bishops at Arles (~317 C.E.), Nicaea (325 C.E.) resolved the Easter debate. This paved the way for treatise and established Church canons at Laodicea (~368 C.E.) giving further state tolerance to Christians living along side the pagan worshippers of Mithraism.
The Church historian ‘Eusebius of Caesarea (~325 C.E.) was a rallying contender in aid to the newly formed Christian campaign having his hands in it in several ways. He was a magnificent scholar with a huge literary influence which has created some speculation by various critics that he may have edited bible writings of earlier church fathers to sway support for his emperor’s new found claims in justification for Sunday worship. Here we have Eusebius’s account of Constantine speaking of unanimity regarding Easter against the practice of the Jews;
[Quote]

“At the meeting the question concerning the most holy day of Easter was discussed, and it was resolved by the united judgment of all present, that the feast ought to be kept by all in every place on one and the same day…For we have it in our power, if we abandon their custom, to prolong the due observance of this ordinance to future ages, by a truer order, which we have preserved from the very day of passion until the present time. Let us have nothing in common with the…Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way.” [Quote]

‘Eusebius’: The Life of Constantine Chapter XVIII
From the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers of the Christian Church
Philip Schaff & Henry Wace
Eerdmans and T&T Clarke 1997

[Pmary65]

GREEK CLARIFICATION "First of the Sabbaths" is a mistranslation of the Greek. The word μία, "one," is feminine, and must agree with the (understood) feminine word ἡμέρα, "day." The word Σάββατον (plural Σάββατα), on the other hand, is neuter. In Greek, "first of the Sabbaths" would have to be πρῶτον τῶν Σαββάτων, and "one of the Sabbaths" would have to be ἓν τῶν Σαββάτων. Μία τῶν Σαββάτων means "(day) one of the Sabbaths," i.e. of a seven-day period from one Sabbath to the next. See Liddell/Scott/Jones' authoritative Greek-English Lexicon s.v. Σάββατον.” ‘Quote’ of Bill Berg23 (Moderator), 25/12/06 Greek Translatum Forum

[Pmary65]

Here is a ‘quote’ from the late Dr. William Smith D.D.

“We are therefore come, in strict propriety of speech, to the beginning of the fifteenth day; for we formerly saw, that the Jewish manner of computing time was from sunsetting to sunsetting. The Paschal lamb, therefore, although it was killed on the fourteenth day of the month, was not eaten till the beginning of the fifteenth; for it was killed between three o’clock in the afternoon and sunset, but was not eaten till after sunset.” [End Quote]

Antiquities of the Jews and Their Customs Illustrated, Vol.I, Part IV, Sec.I – William Brown D.D.

* Note – If Jesus died on an afternoon of Friday Nisan 15th a preparation day before a weekend Sabbath of Nisan 16th with a resurrection on an early Nisan 17th Sunday morning – the phrase ‘one of the Sabbaths’ becomes an idiomatic expression.The time duration in the grave would be about 36 hours barely enough time to qualify for the ‘only sign given’ as warranted by Matthew 12:39, 40.