From Sabbath TO Sunday!

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[blasater1960]

Lev 11

Deut 12

Num 11

Lev 7 & 17

Ex 23

[safisoft]

rose from the dead on the third day, Sunday, now known in English as Easter Sunday.

Can't resist... what a fitting name for a pagan festival. So, what's wrong with Passover and the Feast of First Fruits? Too Jewish for you?

As we have sparred over this in the past, I would simply remind you that until Pope Victor threatened the Asia congregations, only Rome held to this whacked-out dating of the Resurrection. Clement would shudder to think of the nonsense that came from his beloved Rome.

[Petronski]

Can't resist... what a fitting name for a pagan festival.

Saturday is the day to honor the pagan god Saturn. How can you worship on a pagan holiday?

Too Jewish for you?

Are you trying to insinuate I'm anti-Semitic?

[Godzilla]

You know, the love to tout how it is in the bible - yet are silent on the facts.

Diego likes to push the 30 AD theory because he is doctrinally predisposed to reject a Sunday resurrection. There are serious problems chronologically with his AD 30 besides the fact that his proposed Sabbath sequence conflicts with the gospel narrative. There are other data points here that help us confirm the year.

First Luke 3:1–3 tells us that John the Baptist, Jesus’ forerunner, began his ministry “in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar.” Both Roman historians Tacitus (Annales 4 §4) and Suetonius (Tiberius 73) date the beginning of Tiberius’s reign at A.D. 14 (the precise date is August 19, the day of Emperor Augustus’s death). Hence the 15th year of Tiberius’s reign, counting from August 19, A.D. 14, brings us to A.D. 29 (14 + 15 = 29). Luke’s account also indicates that John, who was older, had been preaching for a while before Jesus was baptized. Note that AD 29 is only one year away from AD 30. Diego only allows 1 year for Jesus’ ministry, which is far too short of a period to account for the gospel account

The Apostle John lists 3 passovers - (2:13, 23); (6:4); and (11:55; 12:1). It is possible that there was a fourth that might be inferred from Mt 12:1 - but that could be another feast as well. This adds up to a length of about 3 ½ years for Jesus’ ministry - placing His crucifixion in AD33. Once again, Diego’s numbers don’t match the scriptural account.

Finally, in 33 CE the full moon occurred on Friday, Nisan 14th. That makes the Passover a double sabbath since it coincides with the weekly sabbath. John in 20:31 writes ¶ The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

The chronology from the gospels is very straight forward from there on. Jesus died at the time the Passover lambs were being killed and was buried before the start of the High Sabbath (before 6 PM Friday). The guard was placed at the tomb some time Saturday. And the women came to the tomb at dawn (the day after the sabbaths - a reference to the double sabbath celebrated Friday night - Sat night and at dawn the angel removed the stone. Much more can be said of this sequence, but the simple facts point to 33 CE as the year of Jesus’ death. -

1. Only 33 AD meets the clear time line for the ministry documented in the gospels
2. It has the passover coinciding with the weekly sabbath, matching the gospel narrative.

Diego may claim ‘simple biblical truths’, but he ignores simple biblical truths to come up with his mythological sequence.

[Petronski]

...rather it is speaking positively.

Your assertion of this ridiculous point will not garner as many laughs as your predecessor, as jokes (especially bad ones) just aren't as funny the second time.

[Uri’el-2012]

Lev 11 Deut 12 Num 11 Lev 7 & 17 Ex 23

Or the oral law (the Mishnah and the Talmud) ?

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Petronski]

The “CE 30” elitists are becoming rather smug.

[Godzilla]

The “CE 30” elitists are becoming rather smug.

Indeed.

[wmfights]

Oh.....here it is....[I Papacy 1:11]. Read it aloud! "Do not honor God anymore by observing His Holy Days and Sabbaths.

If we are going to criticize another church's practices, it should be factual. There is historical evidence that the practice in the Apostolic Era and the centuries immediately following was to meet on Sunday morning and then after work on Sunday evening.

The era of the big centralized church didn't begin until later.

[blasater1960]

Of course. The Oral Law tells a person "How" to execute the commandents when necessary....for example, shechitah. How do you perform the slaughter of animals? The Oral Law tells you.

I did not cite the Oral Law because I doubt you accept it.

[safisoft]

Saturday is the day to honor the pagan god Saturn. How can you worship on a pagan holiday?

I was speaking of the pagan festival to the goddess Ishtar.

Are you trying to insinuate I'm anti-Semitic?

Why no. But many of your lauded patristic theologians were. Need I mention Justin Martyr, Ignatius, Chrystostom. I will gladly supply you with text if you can stomach it.

[safisoft]

Your assertion of this ridiculous point will not garner as many laughs as your predecessor, as jokes (especially bad ones) just aren't as funny the second time.

Really? Have you studied the Greek manuscripts and compared it to Philo? I have. I have read several scholarly works (pro and con) on the passage.

Those truly interested in the truth are open to possibilities that their biases did not previously permit. Even though you may not be anti-Semitic, the bias of those that formulated the theology regarding such things were blantant anti-Semites and at times violently so... but you are welcome to remain in such ignoble ignorance.

[Lexinom]

"And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre"
(Matthew 28:1, YLT)

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

Anti-Catholic?

[safisoft]

Regarding your cite of Pliny. First off, Pliny was Second Century, which when paired with Justin Martyr's anti-Semitic screed "Dialog with Trypho the Jew" proves only that Gentiles were becoming quite anti-Semtic in some congregations. Secondly, since you claim you are citing Pliny, have you actually read the text yourself? There is no mention of the "first day." He says, "...a certain day ". Even if you do not have access to the Latin text, you can read what Tertullian wrote about Pliny's comment (circa 200 CE):

He found in their religious services nothing but meetings at early morning... Tertullian's Apology section 2. No mention of a day of the week.

[safisoft]

Anti-Catholic?

Anything that questions any dearly held belief of Petronski is "anti-Catholic." He hasn't figured it out yet, we have nothing against Catholics... just him < grin >

[Diego1618]

All this does is serve to mock Christ's Church, and you made it all up.

Believe me when I tell you this. The furthest thing from what I was dong was mocking Christ's true Church.

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

Christ’s Resurrection Was Not on Sunday

[safisoft]

Easter Sunday, Sunday as the Lord's Day, Christmas...these are all creations of God, through His Church.

I'll take "And the L-RD spoke to Moses and said..." over anything any document you could ever produce with only man's finger prints on it...

[Lee N. Field]

Are you trying to insinuate I'm anti-Semitic?

the last thrust of a failed argument.