Posted on 04/02/2009 8:43:55 PM PDT by chase19
Why Obama Is Losing a Faith
By Michael Gerson Wednesday, April 1, 2009; Page A21
A number of Catholic thinkers set out a "pro-life, pro-Obama" position -- disagreeing with Obama's pro-choice views but trusting in his moderate instincts and conciliatory temperament.
So far, Obama has done little to justify this faith. His initial actions on life issues --
Obama's Catholic supporters would feel betrayed and discredited -- and rightly so. The Catholic hierarchy and Catholic health professionals would feel assaulted by the president -- and they would be correct. And President Obama would not need to worry about future invitations from Notre Dame.
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I believe (and hope) that this is the beginning of a rupture between the Democratic Party and Catholics. I have many friends who voted for Obama and listened to the likes of Kmeic rather than Church teaching and the intrinsic evil of abortion. They are feeling pretty let down to say the least.
Good timing Catholics.
Better late than never. I always look on the bright side, in that, 52% voted for McCain.
BTW, are you an Episcopalian?
Any Catholic who voted for Obama is well beyond the “Age of Reason” so if they are disappointed, just too damned bad.
Don’t worry about the barn door, that horse is long gone!
Looks like some of the 48 percent of CINOs who voted for Obama, now realize that they made a fatal error.
May they seek the Sacrament of Reconciliation!
Cry me a river. We tried to tell y’all.
About five frickin’ months too late, you idiots!
No kidding. I’m Catholic, and I cannot understand how anybody, Catholic or otherwise, could vote for bambi knowing that he believes in partial birth abortion and infanticide. How can you trust somebody who says “It’s above my paygrade?”
It bears repeating. Good timing, Catholics.
I thought 54% voted for Obama? Not that it matters ... these are all exit polls and probably have no basis on reality.
Though it is disturbing that I’ve heard of plenty of evangelical Christians as well as Catholics who voted for the guy. Sad.
I'm glad our Catholic brothers in Christ are coming around to our viewpoint. But what the heck took so long? His previous positions on abortion were well known. Wasn't your leadership issuing warnings about abortion during the campaign? Were you deaf?
Catholic by birth. Christian by choice
I understood from the get go that Obama wanted to kill babies. I never could trust one itty bitty thing that the murderer in chief said. He has raped and pilaged everything that good people stand for.
It’s always amazed me how folks who call themselves Catholics could justify voting Dimocrat; same way the “good Germans” ignored the excesses of the Nazis, I suppose.
Were you baptized Catholic? Then you still are a Catholic!
I think the numbers were adjusted downward after the election to only 48 percent.
Still much too much!
real smart, ticking off a major religious group just before Easter
Now, now, how many protestants, evangelicals, etc. voted for Obama too?
And how many evangelicals and protestants will you also call “fools”?
Lay off the Catholics, please.
“Obama’s Catholic supporters would feel betrayed and discredited..”
How does it feel? You betrayed us, you betrayed your country, you betrayed, you betrayed your own teachings.
I have no empathy for these folks.
What I believe was the greatest Church of all, is crumbling before my eyes. Very sad times...
You are welcome back to the Catholic Church at any time.
What church do you now attend?
Great! Just six months too late.
I have no problem calling Catholics who voted for Obama fools. I call them stronger things myself....
“you betrayed, you betrayed your own teachings.”
That was supposed to read, “you betrayed the unborn, you betrayed your own teachings.”
Do not use potty language on the Religion Forum.
I call them CINOs. Catholics in Name Only.
And what perfect timing to do so.
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I think it can partly be explained as those identifying themselves as Catholic in the exit polls were likely “Easter Mass Catholics” or identify themselves as such from a traditional standpoint.
Wise Guy. : )
I sincerely doubt that the Catholics who are reading this on FR voted for Obama.
They had no clue he was like those the Catholics fought in 1683 AD to save Europe? For all the church’s faults, the Pope’s actions then saved Vienna and Europe.
The American Catholic Church is a major disappointment. Episcopal-Lite.
With all due respect - The CINOs stink. The liberal priests and bishops cause great harm to the church.
Notre Dame, Boston College (Ayres speech_), voting for Obama, ACORN, La Raza - very bad. The liberals in the church who are supporting leftist are helping those groups destroy Catholicism and America.
Evangelicals - I cannot stand that phony Rick Warren.
No Catholic should have voted for Obama
IF
HUMAN LIFE really mattered to them.
It didn’t.
MONEY was more important to them.
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I thought this post was hopeful but I guess I was wrong judging from the responses. Many Catholics are now realizing their huge mistake - time to forgive and rally them to our cause. Let’s pray for more to awaken from ‘the error of their ways’. I know a few who are sick about their votes but thereagain I also know one who still has an Obama sticker on her car which she parks right outside the Church. I want to pull the da*n thing off every time I see it. It’s the only one I see and we’ve got a huge congregation and growing so much they’re standing in the aisles. Sunday - 8 Masses.
Obama has over done the parading of CINO’s thinking this was a good thing but instead he’s creating much angst among the rest of us. His speaking at ND yet another mistake on his part. Yes, it will probably happen but it will never be forgotten how he assisted in it’s demise. He’s under the false impression that we’re ready for division like the Episcopalians. He doesn’t know Catholic history....we’re still standing after 2000 years of much worse strife.
We were weakened after the homosexual/pedophile scandal but growing in strength again - the marxists know it so it’s a let’s divide them strategy. God bless Pope Benedict.
Good Point. My apologies to Freeping Catholics.
Just this past Monday evening during a penence service, with about 6 priests, there was A LOT of people that came to celibrate the sacrement, including I in my parish. A good and hopeful sign. May these Catholics who voted for PBO come home to faith in Christ via that sacrement.
True, in my parish it will recieve come Holy Saturday night up to 13 new Catholics, including 9 children and 4 adults. Just got word last night right after choir practice. :)
Praise God that the RC Church is making a COMEBACK, despite the stumbling blocks thrown in its way, it OVERCOMES!! :)=^..^=
God Bless B16! :) =^..^=
Unfortunately not. Before the election, I had an online discussion with someone who attends weekly Mass in a fairly orthodox parish. The parish priest said (I forget the exact comment) that Communion and her Obama button were incompatible. She was astounded and threw a hissy fit online gathering sympathy from a number of “Catholics” that the priest “overstepped and should be reported to the bishop.”
Early in the online discussion, I mentioned the 5 non-negotiables which Miss HF did look up, then said she wasn’t going to let religion interfere with her politics. By that time, the priest slightly backed off from his initial comment which Miss Hissy Fit and chorus took as evidence that the priest was wrong “and didn’t want to admit it.” MIss HF wasn’t interested in any further references on Catholic teaching, only in interpreting a comment as an “apology.”
Bottom line: She attends weekly and apparently active in some parish activity, but doesn’t really know the Catholic and doesn’t want to know.
Unfortunately, there are a number of people who regularly attend Mass and have an incomplete knowledge of Catholic teaching.
I for one, am glad this is happening. For too long, Catholics have been uneducated and unmoved in their faith. This lack of catechisis in the Church turned out many luke warms. This is Gods way of purifying His church and returning us to the faith of our fathers.
It is especially frustrating to me, as I was a cradle Catholic raised in the turbulent times of the 70’s. Not quite sure what to make of Vatican 2, so they taught us nothing of our faith during CCD. Crazy times growing up, and so many in my generation didn’t have a clue about what we were walking away from after confirmation. I became a baptist because they had a fire in their belly that Catholics seemed not to. We couldnt understand why the old folks went to Mass. It seemed they did it just because their parents said to and they were worshipping a religion and not Jesus. I wanted Jesus so I left;but Jesus wanted me just as badly.
I went through a very anti catholic period, trying to save anyone in my family who would listen. I started to really study (even started working on greek and latin) to try and find evidence to save my family from what I thought was the Whore of Babylon. Jesus used that time to convert ME instead :), as well as my baptist husband and our children.
If my generation was taught what they had, this would not be an issue in our Church. That is being corrected now, and unfortunately, many will walk away, just as the many did in Jn6:66. God is cleaning house, or vomiting out the lukewarm as we speak...It will not make us weaker in His Church, it will make us stronger and more vibrant precisely because He is with us. It will be supernatural. Usually something that divides makes 2 smaller parts. That is not how God works; just think about a baby developing;cells divide and create more not less.
Let it happen, let the floodgates open! There are many alternative faiths for those who do not believe the Catholic church is the true Church and adhere to her teachings. Do the Catholics who promote abortion, gay marriage, women priests, etc, REALLY believe that if they scream, protest, and form committees to “change” the catholic church it will make their cause any less sinful to God? Truly, this is a wicked generation who has fallen for teachings that tickle their ears. God has turned them over to their own lusts. Too bad, I guess the me generation is finally bearing its fruit, and it is all rotten!
That commentary you wrote, speaks to me in a special way. While I am not married nor a mother, I grew up during the turbulant 60’s and 70’s during the period of VC2. For many years, even well into middle age, I struggled with being a Catholic. Now that I have just turned 50 today and with an aging mother with some health issues, I realized that I must be more then ever a commited Roman Catholic. God Bless you and may you have a Blessed Holy Week and Easter. :0 =^..^=
May the Church increase with new members and RENEWED members come next week! :) =^..^=
God Bless you! Renew your faith, practice it to its fullest! It matters not that you are married, you have a special gift of being single. Scriptures point that out time and again!
Be true to where God placed you, and grow where you are planted. We did that, and our precious firstborn is marrying this January and is a committed catholic, our precious middle son goes off to seminary next year, and our precious youngest is a fierce pro life advocate and does the rallies and other projects.
Your life will bear the fruit God intended as you labor in the garden He gave YOU!
Prayers for your mother, and you! Happy Easter!
and HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! I am going to be 42 in Sept. I intend to shout it from the rooftops and grow old gracefully and naturally, as well as ornery and loud! Thanks for the age shout out! There is nothing wrong with showing the whippersnappers that with age comes a beauty that money cant buy; wisdom.........
Thank-you!!!!
I ask those who put obama in office how they like the ‘change’ so far. Change to bigger government with big brother policies shaping up. Tax dollars to pay to murder the unborn at home and abroad. And now to try to force doctors and medical personnel to participate in the killings of the unborn (and later in euthanasia) when they entered medicine to preserve life and health. The country is NO LONGER FREE WHEN A PERSON CANNOT FOLLOW THEIR CONSCIENCE!
Specious arguments and weak guidance convinced many to vote for obama because the war would end immediately and everyone would have health care. Right. 17,000 additional troops are going to Afganistan and socialized medicine does not compete with the system we have now. Try getting really good care a decade from now. And those who make several thousands of dollars a year: well we are going to redistibute your wealth so that those who do not work will never have to.
Change? For the worse.
Catholics? Many are stupid and disobedient. Some secular reasoning was enough for them to avoid the protection of the unborn. Ongoing scandals as at Notre Shame and the high profile pro-abortionsists who have sold their souls keep the uninformed Catholics from living their faith and keep the church in division.
IMHO, when these misguided Catholics and Protestants finally realize that government socialism is not charity and charity is not socialism, the Democrats are toast.
“Catholics? Many are stupid and disobedient. Some secular reasoning was enough for them to avoid the protection of the unborn. Ongoing scandals as at Notre Shame and the high profile pro-abortionsists who have sold their souls keep the uninformed Catholics from living their faith and keep the church in division.”
Very true as are Christians of all sects who fell for this garbage and now they are going to pay for their stupidity. I know quite a few who have voted for the Obamamessiah who are taking nasty hits in their job, financial situations and personal lives. It looks like God is going to let Satan chew on these people for awhile to give these people perspective. Hebrews 12 talks about the discipline of the Lord and it is something we shall see grow daily as we go through this catastrophe of a presidency.
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