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Stay Out of ‘The Shack’
CatholicExchange.com ^ | May 8th, 2008 | Chuck Colson

Posted on 03/15/2009 3:08:57 PM PDT by Salvation

Chuck Colson

Stay Out of ‘The Shack’

May 8th, 2008 by Charles Colson

When the prophet Isaiah and the apostle John caught glimpses of God, they were overcome with despair at their own unworthiness in the light of His glory. The same could be said of Daniel or Paul, or any number of figures from Scripture.

But when the protagonist of a new book called The Shack is introduced to the Father of heaven, he is greeted by a “large, beaming, African-American woman” who goes by the name of Papa.

If you have not heard about The Shack, there is a good chance you will soon. A novel self-published about a year ago by William P. Young, the book has gained quite a following in Christian circles. It is still among the top 10 sellers at Amazon.com. And when it receives a glowing endorsement from a scholar whom I respect, like Eugene Peterson, it is not a phenomenon that discerning Christians can ignore.

The story is about a man named Mack, who is struggling in the aftermath of the brutal murder of his young daughter. One day he finds a note in his mailbox-apparently from God. God wants Mack to meet Him at “the shack,” the place where his daughter was killed.

When he arrives, the shack and the winter scene around it transform, Narnia-like, into a mystical mountain paradise, perhaps meant to be heaven itself. Now dwelling in the shack are three mysterious figures-the African-American woman, a Middle Eastern workman, and an Asian girl-who reveal themselves as God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The rest of the book is basically a discussion between Mack and the three persons of the Trinity. While the discussion is mostly on the deep topics of creation, the fall, freedom, and forgiveness, too often the author slips in silly lines that, frankly, seem ridiculous in the mouth of the Godhead. Jesus, looking at Papa, says, “Isn’t she great?” At one point, Papa warns Mack that eating too many of the greens in front of him will “give him the trots.” And when Jesus spills batter on the floor and on Papa, Jesus then washes Her-or is it His?-feet. Papa coos, “Oh, that feels sooooo good.” Ugh.

Okay, it is only an allegory. But like Pilgrim’s Progress, allegories contain deep truths. That is my problem. It is the author’s low view of Scripture. For example, Mack is tied to a tree by his drunken, abusive father, who “beats Mack with a belt and Bible verses.” The author reflects derisively in another spot that “nobody wanted God in a box, just in a book. Especially an expensive one bound in leather with gilt edges, or was that ‘guilt’ edges.”

The Bible, it seems, is just one among many equally valid ways in which God reveals Himself. And, we are told, the Bible is not about rules and principles; it is about relationship. Sadly, the author fails to show that the relationship with God must be built on the truth of who He really is, not on our reaction to a sunset or a painting.

That is not to say The Shack is without merit. The centrality of Christ and God’s breathtaking, costly love come through loud and clear. But these truths are available everywhere in Scripture, everywhere in Christian literature. You do not have to visit The Shack to find them.

As Papa warns Mack, God is not who Mack expects He is. But He is also not what our creative imaginations make Him to be, either.

He Is, after all, Who He Is.

This update courtesy of BreakPoint.



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Maybe this was discussed before the computers crashed and all the searching tools were lost, but I could not find anything posted about this book.

I also understand it will become a movie. There goes "Follywood" again!

Anyone have feedback on this? To me, it sounds totally heretical.

1 posted on 03/15/2009 3:08:57 PM PDT by Salvation
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I started doing some research on this book because a group of women (Catholic) want to read it. I’m trying to dissuade them, but apparently not succeeding.


2 posted on 03/15/2009 3:11:36 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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The Shack — Discernment Needed

 

The Shack — Discernment Needed

November 14th, 2008 by Rachel Watkins

A quick survey, please if you have a few minutes to spare. These first questions will merely require a yes or no answer. Thank you.

Did you buy any books of a spiritual nature this year? For example, books with God as the central character or with a theological theme or premise? Did you buy any Christian books? Did you buy any Catholic books? Is there a Christian bookstore in your town? A Catholic one? Are all Christian books equal? Does it matter to you, in your purchases of such books, if the author of the book is Catholic or not?

Second survey, please. These questions will require a response based on a scale of 1-10. If you agree completely then think 10. If you disagree completely think 1. If you are undecided think 5. Thank you.

Do you think the type of books a Catholic reads is important? Do you think it is legitimate for Catholics to read any book at all? Concerning Christian books, written about faith issues or topics but not by a Catholic author, should Catholics read those? Should they be concerned about the content if the book is written by a Christian and/or sold in a Christian store? Do you think the Catholic Church should bring back the “List of Forbidden Books”?

Why the questions? The Shack by William P. Young, a Christian book, is #1 on the NY Times Fiction Paperback Bestsellers list. As a result there are a good number of copies out there. We can safely assume, therefore, that a portion of these books were sold to Catholics. Unquestionably, even more Catholics have read it through their libraries, as a loaner from friends or in their neighborhood book clubs. Count this Catholic as one of those.

I heard it talked about on morning TV and picked it up from my library when I saw a copy available. The story introduces you to Mackenzie “Mack” Allen Phillips, who endures an awful tragedy that shakes his faith in God. He and his family are forever altered by this event, which reaches a critical point when he is invited by God to revisit the shack where the tragedy occurred. I don’t want to be a complete plot spoiler but there he meets God who appears as a large black woman whom Mack calls “Papa” and the Holy Spirit as an Asian woman referred to as Sarayu. And Jesus? Well, Jesus is, respectfully, allowed to remain a carpenter of Middle Eastern descent.

After spending a few days at the Shack, I was left with some of the questions I posed at the beginning along with some quirky images and theories about God. Mr. Young wrote a book with the intention of getting you to reevaluate everything you think you know about God, the Trinity, your relationship with Him, Church — everything. While this may sound fascinating, throughout my reading the book I was shaking my head in both confusion and amazement. In his attempt to stretch every preconceived notion, Mr. Young often takes the point so far that I could only chuckle in amusement. Is he serious? Yes, he is. And sure enough, at the end you may find yourself reevaluating everything you thought you knew.

Not that I seriously did, as my faith is stronger than the Shack, but I couldn’t help but wonder about others who make the trip to the Shack, others who may not be well-formed in any faith, much less the Catholic faith, and are then left with some interesting viewpoints, but with much confusion.

By way of example, one of the comments made by Papa includes a discussion where Mack says, “Are you saying I don’t have to follow the rules?” Papa replies, “Yes. In Jesus you are not under any law. All things are lawful.” While a conversation with Jesus includes this stunner, “Seriously, my life was not meant to be an example to copy.” Huh?

Conversations with the Holy Spirit figure are at times confusing with an overabundant use of the word “relationship.” There is also a character referred to as “Sophia,” who acts in the manner of a judge. I don’t know where she fits into the Trinity but she is a pivotal part of the plot. Her appearance emphasizes the point that three of the four spiritual characters are women, which seems to be an overt and unnecessarily critical attitude towards the traditional male references for God.

In the end, what I read was a book that appears to be Christian, but is decidedly not Catholic and works very hard to let us know that we have done everything wrong when it comes to knowing and understanding God.

Now, the fans of the book might say that all of my problems come from my Catholic upbringing and I am not being open enough. My parochial school background permanently stunted my spiritual growth. Some may even say that Mr. Young is stating what is actually Catholic thought in a new manner. I don’t know; he has written it in such an obtuse manner I couldn’t tell. Which brings me back to the survey. Does it matter?

Then there would be those who might say “Hurray! A Christian book is #1,” as if it doesn’t matter what the content or message is, as long as it mentions Jesus. In addition, many people who have not given God any regard are finding Him at The Shack. Others who have fallen from the faith due to their own faith crises are returning. It is to those people the book is directed. In an interview with Mr. Young I read, he mentions such people directly. He hopes people who have no contact with God or relationship with Him will begin one as a result of spending time in the Shack.

However, who are they meeting there? Is it a faithful depiction (even if fictional) of God or a completely fictional one? What about Catholics or other denominations for whom the God of The Shack doesn’t seem to resemble their God at all — gender and race issues aside? Does it matter?

For me, it should. I should have not read the book because I know myself well enough to realize that I have, as a good priest told me once in confession, a pretty strong hard drive. His comment had nothing to do with my computer skills, which are amateur at best, but rather my personality which seems to cling to words and images for a very long time.

By way of explanation, I have a checkered past when it comes to being a faithful Catholic. I am embarrassed to admit that I had a few years when my behavior was obviously sinful and only by God’s grace was I spared from completely ruining my life. Mercifully, I was able to find my way back to God and the Church but there are images and memories that still linger. Satan likes to trot these out once in awhile in a miserable attempt to ridicule me and tempt me to doubt or despair over God’s love, mercy and forgiveness. During this rather painful confession, the wonderful priest warned me about this aspect of my nature and recommended I memorize Philippians 4:8 — “Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things” and put it into daily practice.

As a result, knowing that my hard drive tends to keep hold of things longer than necessary or healthy, I have learned to be careful what I watch and read, especially popular literature, magazines, movies and TV. Many would say all of us should avoid such things but that is not for me to say. I just know I should.

I also know I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to matters of theology and Church teaching. As such, I have found that I need to pay particular attention to books about Who God is, His nature in dealing with us, His plan for us and other theological instruction, if they are not Catholic. I am not perceptive enough to know if a book written by someone who is not Catholic will give me an interpretation or opinion in agreement with Catholic teaching. As such, I read those books only if recommended by someone I trust; someone who knows about these things better than I. Many folks would say this is how all Catholics ought to act. Again, I don’t know.

So, what about those of us who already know and love God? Will spending time at the Shack help us grow in that love and knowledge of God? Was it true and honorable? For me, not so much. Though I will admit shedding the idea of God (the Father — am I allowed to even think that any more?) as a black woman was pretty easy to do, a number of questionable views about our relationship (I am really beginning to hate that word) remain. I plan on rereading something by Fulton Sheen or maybe even The Story of a Soul by Saint Thérèse to bring me back to reality. With those as a help, I’m sure I will leave any lingering doubts in the Shack. What I really regret is wasting my precious reading time, despite it being only a few nights, with this book. I don’t get much free time in my busy life and I feel my time with Mack was poorly spent.

This then brings me back to my real question about books such as The Shack or those by Christian phenoms Joel Osteen or Rick Warren. These books are being bought and read by any number of Catholics. Why? It isn’t as if we don’t have an abundance of good Catholic books and authors. We have proven winners from centuries past such as St. Francis de Sales as well as recent treasures from St. Theresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) and our current pope, Benedict XVI. We even have lay writers, such as CE’s own Mark Shea, who can provide us with good food for thought.

Is it the packaging, the hype, the extra resources such as planners, tote bags, calendars, and greeting cards that come with the more popular titles that make them so appealing? Or, is it that they are just easier? Easier to acquire? Easier to read? I will admit it would be wonderful to think that I don’t need to try to imitate Jesus as he tells us at the Shack but I can’t help forget the rallying cry from 1 Peter 1:16. Remember, Scripture says, “Be holy, for I am holy,” quoting Leviticus 19:2. Granted, good Catholic reading materials might not be heavily promoted and you may not find the imagery as detailed as in Mr. Young’s book but you won’t be left wondering if what you are reading agrees with what our Church teaches.

This thought about the ease of reading material that may be harmful to our faith brings me to St. Paul who scolds the followers in Corinth that he could not speak to them as spiritual men but needed to feed them on milk as they were still infants in Christ. In the end, that is how I feel about The Shack. It may very well be milk to some people’s lives, offering them relief and solace in a difficult world. As Catholics, however, we’ve been fed on the very Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. Shouldn’t that grace make us manly enough (yes, even us women) to be able to bypass The Shack and visit some place more challenging? While we may not want to venture to The Interior Castle by St. Teresa of Avila, we should be willing to check out Catholic books before risking our hard drives with questionable input.

My critics will now say that I am calling for a return to the “List of Forbidden Books” which I am not. I readily admit there are many people who can handle reading just about anything without any lingering effects. But, in solidarity with others like myself, I want to remind them that the discretion and prudence we exercise in making our choices needs to extend to materials that come from Christian sources (and some seemingly ‘Catholic’ ones) perhaps even more than from secular sources.

If the authors of these books cannot agree with us on the big stuff such as the Eucharist and Jesus’ own mother’s importance should we trust them with our time and our souls about the small stuff?

Is there really any small stuff when it comes to the nature of God and our relationship with Him?

 

Rachel Watkins is wife of Matthew, mom to 11 kids, creator of the Little Flower's Girls Program (www.eccehomopress.com), and a weekly contributor to Heart, Mind and Strength Radio with Dr. Greg and Lisa Popcak and a frequent blogger at their site, www.exceptionalmarriages.com.

 


3 posted on 03/15/2009 3:14:38 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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4 posted on 03/15/2009 3:16:29 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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Thanks, I did a search for The Shack and those didn’t come up. What do you think of this “fiction?”


5 posted on 03/15/2009 3:18:31 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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Here is some information that may help some people...

There is a radio program by Jan Markell, where she interviews different people on different issues. It’s a Christian radio ministry program and covers contemporary subjects.

A related show, to this subject...

http://www.olivetreeviews.org/radio/mp3/
[archive of all radio programs in the last four years...]

September 27, 2008 - Hour 1
http://mp3.olivetreeviews.org/OTM2008_09_27A.mp3

Repeat from August 16, 2008. The Fall Conferance is on so here is a best of: The Shack PART 1
Jan and guests, Eric Barger and Pastor Larry DeBruyn, look at the issue of the best-selling “Christian” book, soon to be a movie, “The Shack.” The book is not just connecting with post-moderns, but with people of all ages in spite of its reinvention of Christianity. The confusion opens immediately with God being called “Papa,” as he/she is an African-American woman. This is a “buyer-beware” warning and we hope you will reconsider its popularity and its content particularly for new believers or non-believers. Albert Mohler continues to participate via sound bytes. The final conclusion is that emotions trump doctrine today. http://www.ericbarger.com http://www.frbaptist.org http://www.albertmohler.com

September 27, 2008 - Hour 2
http://mp3.olivetreeviews.org/OTM2008_09_27B.mp3

Repeat from August 16, 2008. The Fall Conferance is on so here is a best of: The Shack PART 2
Jan and guests, Eric Barger and Pastor Larry DeBruyn, look at the issue of the best-selling “Christian” book, soon to be a movie, “The Shack.” The book is not just connecting with post-moderns, but with people of all ages in spite of its reinvention of Christianity. The confusion opens immediately with God being called “Papa,” as he/she is an African-American woman. This is a “buyer-beware” warning and we hope you will reconsider its popularity and its content particularly for new believers or non-believers. Albert Mohler continues to participate via sound bytes. The final conclusion is that emotions trump doctrine today. http://www.ericbarger.com http://www.frbaptist.org http://www.albertmohler.com


Here is the information for Olive Tree Ministries for your reference...

Board of Reference

Pastor Bob DeWaay
Twin City Fellowship Church, Minneapolis, MN
Author, pastor, conference speaker, discernment ministry
http://www.twincityfellowship.com
http://www.cicministry.org

Dr. Thomas Ice
Prophecy scholar, teacher, author and co-founder of Pre-Trib Research Center.
http://www.pre-trib.org

Bill Koenig
Author, White House correspondent, head of Koenig’s International News
http://www.watch.org

Tom Marsland
Radio commentator/producer and ministry media advisor
[on KKMS radio station...]

Roger Oakland
Discernment ministry, author, conference speaker
http://www.understandthetimes.org

Dr. J. Randall Price
Founder, World of the Bible Ministries
Archaeologist, author, conference speaker, prophecy scholar
http://www.worldofthebible.com

Dr. David Reagan
Lamb Lion Ministries
http://www.Lamblion.com

BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Jan Markell, Founder/President

John Wicklund, Chairman of the Board

Eric Douma, Vice Chairman of the Board

Donna Chrest Hedden, Secretary of the Board

Marj Holsten

Phil Marin

Kerry Smith

John Strybicki

Heidi Swander

Barbara Westmark

I hope that helps...


6 posted on 03/15/2009 3:21:16 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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You said — “I started doing some research on this book because a group of women (Catholic) want to read it. I’m trying to dissuade them, but apparently not succeeding.”

I don’t know if the two radio programs that I listed will help or not. You could listen to them and see if you think so. If so, and they didn’t have a computer, you could download the shows and put them on a audio CD yourself (i.e., “burn it” on a CD) for them to listen to...


7 posted on 03/15/2009 3:23:58 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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Catholic Media Review of "The Shack" and comments
8 posted on 03/15/2009 3:25:19 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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This looks impressive. Thanks.


9 posted on 03/15/2009 3:26:57 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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Good suggestion, thanks.


10 posted on 03/15/2009 3:28:05 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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11 posted on 03/15/2009 3:40:14 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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I have read The Shack and would encourage others to read it too. It is FICTION — it is not the inspired work of God. As long as you remember that it is FICTION, you can find the nuggets you could use to walk closer with God and grow closer to the Trinity.


12 posted on 03/15/2009 3:40:17 PM PDT by bithey (Internet's role in right tilt)
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“While a conversation with Jesus includes this stunner, “Seriously, my life was not meant to be an example to copy.” Huh?”

Gives lie to “Take up the cross and follow me...”

Satan just keeps recycling the same old stuff, lie after lie. “Be as gods...”

As a Catholic, I embrace the cross that has been given to me, especially the truly heavy one I’ve carried this Winter.

I don’t say, “Why me, Lord?,” but rather, “Yes, Lord.”

We aren’t gods. We are sinners who cannot and will not ever know how to live without Christ’s example and laws.

“I come not to abolish the law, but to filfill it.”

How many souls will fall because of the seed in this book?


13 posted on 03/15/2009 3:40:54 PM PDT by OpusatFR (We can give up any pretense of having a government for and by the people after Coronation Day.)
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I became a Christian while attending a Christian college (Huntington, IN). I have been attending a Wesleyan Church for most of the past 20 years. I read the book and enjoyed it very much. It is NOT a book for Christians to give to Non-Christians. But for Christians it is very thought provoking.


14 posted on 03/15/2009 3:41:17 PM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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as a Catholic woman I found the book lacking anything spiritual......instead they should look up Mother Nadine Brown and read some of her books...or read the Bible and go to Bible study. or a book on one of the saints......there are a lot of more worthwhile books to read than that over-hyped fiction.


15 posted on 03/15/2009 3:59:12 PM PDT by tioga
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I did read it, it is not inspired by the Holy Spirit at all. In fact, it seemed to be the opposite.

(sorry for the second post, I wanted to make that clear)


16 posted on 03/15/2009 4:00:32 PM PDT by tioga
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There was a book written years ago. I think the name was “Joshua”. For whatever reason, I don’t remember why but I think I burnt it. I didn’t want my kids reading it. Does anyone remember the book?
I would not be careful in suggesting certain books to some people for lack of spiritual maturity.


17 posted on 03/15/2009 4:02:41 PM PDT by prayerfullywaiting
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This book is making big inroads with many friends and aquaintances that are professed Christians. Like Colson said, if it isn’t the Scriptural portrayal of God, it is only as good as the feelings it generates. Many people claim that this book has given them a new understanding of God, but I am skeptical if what they are given is true understanding. For my money, comprehension of the things of God always comes at the cost of self-sacrifice and is always in line with what Scripture has already revealed. Sad to say, too many enamored with this book seem to be looking for easier ways to know God other than the cross.


18 posted on 03/15/2009 4:16:35 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Actually, it all started back in Mayberry. Helen Crump was a traveler and Floyd, well, you know...)
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The author brings up some very difficult theological issues in this book. I think he does a good job using a story but the medium is insufficient to deal with all the complexities.

If the book is used as the beginnings for a future discussion it is fine. If it is used as a text book it won’t work.


19 posted on 03/15/2009 4:47:48 PM PDT by Raycpa
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While a conversation with Jesus includes this stunner, “Seriously, my life was not meant to be an example to copy.” Huh?

Even the most tenuous of independent Protestants should be turned away by this.

20 posted on 03/15/2009 5:15:17 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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