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Bishop punishes mom for daughter's abortion
MSNBC ^ | March 5, 2009 | AP

Posted on 03/05/2009 4:46:19 PM PST by Alex Murphy

RIO DE JANEIRO - A Roman Catholic archbishop says the abortion of twins carried by a 9-year-old girl who allegedly was raped by her stepfather means excommunication for the girl's mother and her doctors.

Despite the nature of the case, the church had to hold its line against abortion, Archbishop Jose Cardoso Sobrinho said in an interview aired Thursday by Globo television.

"The law of God is higher than any human laws," he said. "When a human law — that is, a law enacted by human legislators — is against the law of God, that law has no value. The adults who approved, who carried out this abortion have incurred excommunication."

Health Minister Jose Gomes Temporao rebuked the archbishop, saying, "I'm shocked by two facts: by what happened to the girl and by the position of the archbishop, who in saying he defends life puts another at risk."

Abortion is generally illegal in Brazil, which is home to more Catholics than any other nation. But the procedure is allowed when the mother's life is in danger, when the fetus has no chance of survival or in rape cases where the woman has not passed her 20th week of pregnancy.

Doctors said the girl was 15 weeks pregnant when the abortion was performed Wednesday in the northeastern city of Recife, where Sobrinho is archbishop. Health officials said the life of the girl — who weighs 80 pounds — was in danger.

The pregnancy was discovered last week when the girl fell ill and her mother took her to a clinic. The child then told officials she had been abused by her stepfather, who is in police custody.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Worship
KEYWORDS: abortion; bishop; brazil; catholic
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1 posted on 03/05/2009 4:46:19 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Excommunication!

use it on Democrats please!


2 posted on 03/05/2009 4:49:30 PM PST by omega4179 (I hope he fails)
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To: Alex Murphy
“allegedly raped” She is nine, of course she was raped.
3 posted on 03/05/2009 4:50:05 PM PST by svcw
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To: Alex Murphy

This is a sad story, I am sad to see that doctors took the easy way out and aborted not one, but two children, even though there is very little danger to the girl and her children if she gets the right medical attention. I am glad that the Archbishop excommunicated the doctors and the mother, but that does not stop the hurt of hearing about abortions that should not have happened.


4 posted on 03/05/2009 4:51:52 PM PST by FutureRocketMan
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To: svcw

And the stepfather? No mention if he was excommunicated.


5 posted on 03/05/2009 4:52:34 PM PST by LuciaMia
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To: LuciaMia

Good point.


6 posted on 03/05/2009 4:53:19 PM PST by svcw
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To: Alex Murphy

Already Posted.


7 posted on 03/05/2009 4:55:35 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: FutureRocketMan
... even though there is very little danger to the girl and her children if she gets the right medical attention.

And you are basing this on?

8 posted on 03/05/2009 4:56:08 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: Alex Murphy
A Roman Catholic archbishop says the abortion of twins carried by a 9-year-old girl who allegedly was raped by her stepfather means excommunication for the girl's mother and her doctors.

Assuming those being excommunicated are actually Catholic, then I completely agree with the action. But it seems to me that their actions up to this point were not very representative of a strong Catholic faith - Those that would endorse abortion, and those who perform them....

9 posted on 03/05/2009 4:59:11 PM PST by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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To: LuciaMia

You noticed that too, eh?


10 posted on 03/05/2009 5:07:22 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Alex Murphy
"When a human law — that is, a law enacted by human legislators — is against the law of God, that law has no value."

Unfortunately for us Infidels,that approach to our laws is exactly what the fundamental Muslims believe. - Tom

11 posted on 03/05/2009 5:11:02 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: Alex Murphy
While probably canonically correct, and morally right, there is a pastoral dimension in this story that seems lacking. The bishop is a Carmelite, one of those ordained by JPII, is over 75 and ready to retire and probably belongs in a monastery.
12 posted on 03/05/2009 5:22:00 PM PST by VidMihi ("In fide, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.")
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To: VidMihi
According to the Code of Canon Law, anyone who procures an abortion or provides material assistance in the procuring of an abortion, incurs a latae sententiae excommunication; meaning that no pronouncement of sentence is required - the excommunication occurs automatically upon committing of the act. Thus, the girl's mother, the doctors who did the procedure, as well as anyone else assiting, was already excommunicated before the bishop in question said anything about it.
13 posted on 03/05/2009 5:55:23 PM PST by Balt (http://priestlypugilist.com)
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To: LuciaMia

You wrote:

“And the stepfather? No mention if he was excommunicated.”

What he did was a mortal sin but is not one of the reasons for excommunication. Murder of babies in the womb is, however.


14 posted on 03/05/2009 6:15:01 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: topher
What this story does not tell is the damage done to the 9 year old girl by the abortion.

She may be tramatized the rest of her life by the fact her mother had her two babies killed, and that doctors condoned this.

This happened in Brazil, where Saint Gianna Berella Molla's uncle worked as a doctor and her other uncle helped to build a hospital. Also, the miracle for either her canonization or beatification also happened in Brazil.

Saint Gianna Berella Molla, please help this family and help them to amend for the harm to the babies... Just as Saint Maria Goretti was able to convert the man who killed her.

15 posted on 03/05/2009 6:17:11 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: LuciaMia; svcw
And the stepfather? No mention if he was excommunicated.

Ironically, perhaps he isn't excommunicated. That said, the punishment for opposing Divine Law is far worse.

An excommunication is punishment that seeks to foster repentance. The hope is that all involved in this will repent of their wrongdoing.

16 posted on 03/05/2009 6:19:55 PM PST by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: Alex Murphy

Since the mother was excommunicated, she should have no qualms about divorcing her slimeball rapist husband.


17 posted on 03/05/2009 7:15:16 PM PST by toothfairy86
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To: toothfairy86

Well, she could certainly divorce him with a clear conscience in any case. It’s remarriage following divorce that is objectionable to the church, not necessarily divorce per se. If divorce is necessary to protect a child from a rapist, then divorce is necessary.


18 posted on 03/05/2009 7:52:02 PM PST by Campion
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
The youngest girl known to have borne twins was 10 years old. It would seem quite possible that this girl could have carried the pregnancy to the point where the babies could have been delivered (by c-section, of course) and survived.

The youngest mother on record was 5 years and 7 months old. Yes, you read that right.

And it didn't kill her, either, contrary to the knee-jerk reaction of many on FR. In fact, she's apparently still alive today. Her son died a few years ago at the age of 40.

19 posted on 03/05/2009 7:55:11 PM PST by Campion
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To: LuciaMia
The stepfather is in a state of objectively grave sin, and is also not permitted to approach the Eucharist according to Catholic teaching. It's not the same as a formal excommunication, but the effects are largely the same.

The reason for the difference in penalty is that society generally (we think!) understands that child molestation, rape, murder, massive theft, etc., are heinous and abominable crimes. And -- typically -- the civil law makes that clear also.

The same cannot be said of abortion, so the church attaches extra penalties to it to make its intense disapproval clear.

20 posted on 03/05/2009 8:01:03 PM PST by Campion
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