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"What I Have Seen and Heard" - Abp. Gregory's regular column [Another Vertebrate Bishop]
The Georgia Bulletin ^ | Most Rev'd Wilton D. Gregory

Posted on 10/30/2008 5:36:59 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother

The money quote:

"According to the principles of Faithful Citizenship, Catholics must support the just care of the poor, the rights of workers, the dignity of people who immigrate to a new nation, the conservation of the environment; we must assess the very complex economic issues, seek to provide affordable health care for people who do not enjoy that security, and foster the more humane treatment of those who are imprisoned, to list only some of the issues that we now face. However, before and prior to all of those vitally important concerns, Faithful Citizenship places the issue of Life itself. All of those other matters are of immense and lasting significance, yet they remain of no consequence for those who are not granted the first right—the right to be born. For this reason, I want to remind all of you, my brothers and sisters, to remember those famous Jeffersonian words borrowed from Locke—and especially remember the order that he gave them."

(Excerpt) Read more at georgiabulletin.org ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: atlanta; bishop; election; life
I need to publicly apologize for characterizing Archbishop Gregory as an Obama supporter who refused to speak out on life issues.

I WAS WRONG.

He names no names, but he is very clear that Life is the paramount issue without which all the stuff that Kmiec and the rest of the Obama supporters have been touting is "of no consequence".

Mea maxima culpa. Western papers please copy.

1 posted on 10/30/2008 5:37:00 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: NYer
Hi, NYer, could you please ping the Catholic list?

I'm going to dig up that thread where we were discussing this, and make sure that everybody on it is linked here so that we can make amends for dissing Abp. Gregory.

He's a little late in taking a stand (and he makes a justification for it so he knows he's a little late to the fair), but at least he has come forward and spoken out.

Perhaps the lively exchange of letters between pro-life Catholics and pro-Obama Catholics that has been raging for several weeks in the Bulletin has prompted him to come forward. I believe in diplomatic circles it's called "a full and frank exchange of views," and apparently the Archbishop decided it had gone far enough.

2 posted on 10/30/2008 5:41:03 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

You’re forgiven. Just be more careful in the future. :^)


3 posted on 10/30/2008 5:42:24 PM PDT by jla (Sarah!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Well, that’s refreshing! I was wondering how you were doing there with him on this issue, and I’m really glad to see that he came down on the right side of things.


4 posted on 10/30/2008 5:44:37 PM PDT by livius
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To: AnAmericanMother

I am glad to see that Archbishop Gregory placed character and principle above race. Your earlier post had my wife running around St Thomas trying to find out more.....


5 posted on 10/30/2008 5:47:09 PM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: AnAmericanMother

I am glad to see that Archbishop Gregory placed character and principle above race. Your earlier post had my wife running around St Thomas trying to find out more.....


6 posted on 10/30/2008 5:47:18 PM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: ethics; Salvation; livius; Miss Marple; vladimir998; maryz; Westbrook; pray4liberty; ninenot; ...
Everybody who was over on this thread, psst! over here!

I owe Archbishop Gregory an apology for my hard words.

7 posted on 10/30/2008 5:56:28 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

We know you were praying for him all along. :-)


8 posted on 10/30/2008 6:06:03 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: nevergore
Since he hadn't said a word about this issue, and he was originally from Chicago (and the USCCB), I figured he was in the tank for Obama. Other comments on the thread seemed to support that conclusion as well.

I am very pleased to find that I was wrong.

9 posted on 10/30/2008 6:06:03 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Good better late than never. It’s possible that the example of 50 other bishops, and maybe a few words from his flock, made him think again.

It must be said that the bishops have spoken out this election season as they have never done before. Even the best of them have generally grown quiet this close to an election. But they obviously see that this is absolutely critical this time.


10 posted on 10/30/2008 6:08:15 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: nevergore
. . . and you know, come to think of it, it took a lot of courage for a man in his position to speak out.

Obama probably thinks of him as a traitor - since he's a brother from Chicago he probably assumed the archbishop would support him or at least keep silent. And it can't be very comfortable to make an enemy of somebody like Obama when he's got a 50/50 chance of being in a position to REALLY make you hurt.

11 posted on 10/30/2008 6:09:42 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Cicero
As I have observed before, I think even the most jelly-spined bishops have finally realized the outright threat that an Obama administration represents to the Church.

Just as one example, the so-called "Freedom of Choice Act" could spell the end of Catholic hospitals and Catholic Charities. And then the "Human Rights Commissions" along the lines of the ones in Canada that have been levying hefty fines against priests and ministers that speak out against homosexual 'marriage', etc.

12 posted on 10/30/2008 6:12:13 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: aposiopetic
I wish I had been a good enough Christian to be praying for him, rather than just being exasperated and resigned.

I see a trip to the confessional in my immediate future . . . .

13 posted on 10/30/2008 6:13:58 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Goodness gracious! Tomorrow, Houston freezes over ... What’s next, Mahoney?


14 posted on 10/30/2008 6:22:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("This is our duty: to zot their sorry arses into the next time zone." ~ Admin Mod)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Salvation
Reconciliation is good! :-) Incidentally, thanks to faithful, daily posts by a certain FReeper, I have had little choice but to intercede, since liturgies such as today's Vespers include prayers on behalf of the Ordinary and the Pope.
15 posted on 10/30/2008 6:30:51 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Tax-chick

That would make a good Mass intention, wouldn’t it?


16 posted on 10/30/2008 6:32:40 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Probably venial. But a good excuse for going to confession!


17 posted on 10/30/2008 6:33:43 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Well, it was detraction, and now it appears it was slander!

And I do need to get to confession more often . . . but usually there's sort of a boring sameness about it. Rather dull, unexciting sins, repeated despite firm purpose of amendment . . . .

I think it was Archbishop Sheen who said that hearing a nun's confession was like being stoned to death with popcorn . . . . a suburban matron's confession is equally dull.

18 posted on 10/30/2008 6:36:52 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

See this video “Scranton Bishop Releases Video Slamming Groups “Treading on the Name Catholic” with False Voting Doctrine”

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/oct/08102907.html


19 posted on 10/30/2008 6:59:21 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: AnAmericanMother; nickcarraway; Lady In Blue; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...
**However, before and prior to all of those vitally important concerns, Faithful Citizenship places the issue of Life itself.**

Glad that Archbishop Wilton Gregory has come out to say that life is the most important issue we face.

20 posted on 10/30/2008 7:00:19 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

That is excellent news!!!

Was this in the Georgia Bulletin?


21 posted on 10/30/2008 7:57:59 PM PDT by ethics
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To: AnAmericanMother

Hey, many bishops have stepped up when it comes to presenting the REAL Church teaching on the baby butchery issue, it seems like many more than ever before. Which is GREAT.

But the vast,vast majority don’t seem to use discipline to teach this simple rule : that being into baby butchery gets one nixed from the Church. And it’s shameful.

Freegards


24 posted on 10/30/2008 10:09:39 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Ransomed
There were 100 out of 197 bishops listed on this linked thread. Now we have Archbishop Gregory and another one from another diocese (not remembering who it was.) So we are on to 102! Keep praying for the Bishops to step forward and tell their flocks that they MUST vote pro-life!

Over 100 Bishops Have Spoken Out on Priority of Life Issues

25 posted on 10/30/2008 10:16:02 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: AnAmericanMother

“I think it was Archbishop Sheen who said that hearing a nun’s confession was like being stoned to death with popcorn . . . .”

Archbishop Sheen had a little Bela Lugosi mixed with Groucho in him. I reckon he was a Saint—the first to use the mass media to teach what the Church believes that I know of. Whatta a great Christian.

Freegards


26 posted on 10/30/2008 10:18:08 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Salvation

“There were 100 out of 197 bishops listed on this linked thread. Now we have Archbishop Gregory and another one from another diocese (not remembering who it was.) So we are on to 102! Keep praying for the Bishops to step forward and tell their flocks that they MUST vote pro-life!”

You inspire me, Salvation. Always keeping in mind the power of prayer over our bishops is something I fail at a lot. But you gotta admit, a few squeeky wheels calling out the bishops on their seeming failures on the matter of baby butchery ‘probly wouldn’t hurt the workings of the holy Spirit either.

Freegards, thanks for all the pings


27 posted on 10/30/2008 10:31:58 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Ransomed

The Catholic Church has never been so UNITED on the pro- life issues.Now we must put the Election in God’s hands and pray!


28 posted on 10/31/2008 5:30:21 AM PDT by ardara
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To: AnAmericanMother; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; ...
I need to publicly apologize for characterizing Archbishop Gregory as an Obama supporter who refused to speak out on life issues.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", John 8:7.

Many of us are equally guilty of lambasting priests and bishops, thus placing ourselves in the 'judgement' seat. That is why the Catholic Church is like a hospital for sinners. We thank our Lord for bestowing on us the Sacrament of Confession where our souls may be cleansed from these sins.

29 posted on 10/31/2008 6:10:32 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer
“Many of us are equally guilty of lambasting priests and bishops, thus placing ourselves in the ‘judgement’ seat”.

Sure enough, let's not make excuses for sin.

But in this day and age with public forums like FR where we laity have the ability to let our Bishops and clergy hear what we SINCERELY think they should be saying or doing, then we, in charity, should let them know.

I have to admit, I'm proud of how they've come up to bat in this election!

You know, they have to fight human respect just like all of us and they are coming through!

God Bless!

30 posted on 10/31/2008 6:34:21 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: AnAmericanMother
Just returned from Mass!

Lots of prayers said for the sanctity of life, and for the direction this country is about to go.

With that said, with people like you leading the way I know we will prevail. I am heartened by your humility.

Have a blessed All Saint's Day and All Soul's Day.

Jay

31 posted on 10/31/2008 7:07:45 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: ardara

“The Catholic Church has never been so UNITED on the pro- life issues.”

As opposed to what other period in history? The recent public presentations by bishops of what the Church teaches as concerns baby butchery are a vast improvement over past decades, but that wouldn’t take much in my opinion.

Do you think that public Catholic leaders could assist the forces of baby butchery and claim this assistance is cool with Church teaching and not be called out by name as excommunicated by their actions if they didn’t publicly recant their veiws on baby butchery and change their odious ways 800 years ago?

Plus, there are going to be WAAAAY too many supposed Catholics pulling the lever for the baby butcherist party, but hopefully this number is shrinking in recent years. If all the Catholics voted Church teaching on this issue it would eventually crush the opposition.

You are right about the awesome power of prayer, but this doesn’t mean speaking out about this shameful subject is going to hurt the cause.

Freegards


32 posted on 10/31/2008 7:47:02 AM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

You know, I am so proud of our bishops. They have really stepped up. It’s like they finally clued in and realized that there are horrific consequences to the cause of life should Obama win. I was gripping about our pastor not stepping up, and the next day he announced that our parish would be participating in Fr. Corapi’s novena. I am inspired by them stepping up and the Catholic swing towards life in this election.


33 posted on 10/31/2008 8:29:00 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (When I say Obama. You say Ayers.....Obama! Ayers!)
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To: Ransomed

The Catholic Church is more united on pro-life than it was before the 2000 and 2004 elections.I agree much more could be done and is being done.Because of our laity led pro-life movement in our church we will have adoration in our main church all day on Election Day.This IS the time to pray.


34 posted on 10/31/2008 8:57:51 AM PDT by ardara
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To: ethics
Was this in the Georgia Bulletin?

Yep, in his regular "What I Have Seen and Heard" column, somewhere in the middle of the print edition.

But the column is prominently linked on the front page of the Bulletin website, at the mid left, 'above the fold': Archbishop Gregory Writes About the Election

35 posted on 10/31/2008 9:23:17 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Ransomed
Well, it's a "glass half full/glass half empty" attitude.

Given that the Church in the U.S. went through a horrible period in the 60s and 70s when it succumbed to the pressures of the Spirit of the Age (and we all know who THAT is!), I am relieved that the bishops are starting to realize the consequences of that surrender and fight back.

Sure it would be nice if every bishop suddenly came to his senses, but if we don't support and applaud those who DO work to bring the Church back, the others won't follow.

36 posted on 10/31/2008 9:27:05 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

“Sure it would be nice if every bishop suddenly came to his senses, but if we don’t support and applaud those who DO work to bring the Church back, the others won’t follow.”

That’s fair enough. But the other side of it is that if all the bishops hear is how wonderfully they are now engaging the baby butchery problem they could could get complacent and think this is all they have to do. We are so starved for leadership from most bishops that they can look very brave in comparison to what has been said on the issue in the last few decades. But in reality all they are doing is part of what they should have been doing all along.

They are doing a pretty good job in presenting Church teaching on this issue, but the lack of discipline used to teach is shameful. It sends an awful message to the laity, a large percentage of who think it’s really no big deal because they see known Catholic pro-baby butchering pols not only support baby butchery but claim this is cool with Church teaching and not be named as confirmed excommunicated for their odious actions and refusal to publicly recant/change their positions.

Freegards, you rule A.A.M.


37 posted on 10/31/2008 10:49:18 AM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Ransomed
You're right of course, we need to work harder on catechesis. And the bishops need to lay it on the line a little harder.

But we got here incrementally, and we've got to get back incrementally.

I guess I'm just relieved that our archbishop finally DID speak out.

P.S. You rule too! < g >

38 posted on 10/31/2008 10:54:25 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: nevergore

Bishop Gregory was well-respected in the Belleville (IL) diocese. His black replacement is an arrogant, selfish fool (a la Obama). I haven’t seen his name on any pro-life petitions.


39 posted on 11/01/2008 1:35:54 PM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: sandyeggo

Mahoney? What a joke! He’s probably tring to figure out a good place to put a huge Obama fascist emblem to be fashioned out of mosaic in his ugly new cathedral.


40 posted on 11/01/2008 1:42:06 PM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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