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Various Christian Creeds Down through the Ages
BYUTV ^ | 2000 | John W Welch

Posted on 05/25/2008 4:11:19 AM PDT by restornu


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1 posted on 05/25/2008 4:11:19 AM PDT by restornu
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Creeds of Christendom

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Ancient Symbols

  • Creeds in the Bible
  • Ireneaus Rule of Faith
  • Hippolytus' account of the baptismal service
  • The Apostle's Creed
  • The Creed of Nicaea as approved by the Nicene Council (A.D. 325)
    • What about the Da Vinci Code?The First Ecumenical council of Nicaea was called by emperor Constantine. The council met to deal with the schism created by Arianism. The Arians wished to avoid the heresy of Sabellius who believed in a divine monad which, by expansion, projected itself as Father, Son and Holy Spirit--a form of Modalism. The Arians separated the Son from God entirely so that they believed he was a creature having a beginning. "There was when he was not." The Son was but God's first creation, yet out of nothing and hence has preeminence over the rest of creation.
    • The symbol answers the question, "Who is Jesus Christ."
      Its answer: God
  • The Nicene Creed as approved by the Council of Constantinople (A.D. 381)
  • -- The Nicene Creed -- Constantinopolitan Creed -- Creed of 150 Fathers
    • Usually associated with the Council of Constantinople this symbol is an expansion and revision of the earlier Creed of Nicaea with which it is often confused. This is the creed recited in churches. The council met to refute Apollinarianism. Apollinarius taught that Jesus was a combination of the divine Logos spirit, a sensitive human soul and a human body. He taught that Jesus did not have a human spirit. His views were based on the platonic tripartite view of human nature. The council condemned this view in order to show that Christ, as truly human, could redeem the whole person.
    • The symbol emphasizes the Trinitarian faith.
    • The symbol is very suitable for liturgical use and was used as an early baptismal and eucharistic creed. It goes beyond the Creed of Nicaea in its affirmation of the full deity of the Spirit though it uses biblical rather than philosophical terms to do so. The filioque clause found in the Western version of this creed is one of the major disagreements between the Eastern and Western branches of Christianity. This clause was not accepted even by the Western Church until the turn of the first millennium.
    • Further Notes on the Nicene Creed
    • Notes on the Filioque Clause Controversy
    • The Church in the Nicene Creed
    • Other documents of the First Council of Constantinople
    • Notes from the ecumenical councils
  • The Council of Sardica Canon V (A.D. 343)
    • The council of Sardica was the first synod, which in some sense asserted Roman primacy.
  • Confession of Saint Patrick (A.D. 390-461)
  • The Definition of Chalcedon (A.D. 451)
    • The council of Chalcedon met to resolve the Monophysite controversy in which Eutyches had refused to confess the existence of two natures in Christ both after the union as well as before. The definition summarizes the Church's teaching on the natures of Christ largely in negative terms.
  • Canons of the Council of Orange (A.D. 529)
    • The Council of Orange was an outgrowth of the controversy between Augustine and Pelagius. This controversy had to do with degree to which a human being is responsible for his or her own salvation, and the role of the grace of God in bringing about salvation. The Pelagians held that human beings are born in a state of innocence, i.e., that there is no such thing as a sinful nature or original sin. As a result of this view, they held that a state of sinless perfection was achievable in this life. The Council of Orange dealt with the Semi-Pelagian doctrine that the human race, though fallen and possessed of a sinful nature, is still "good" enough to able to lay hold of the grace of God through an act of unredeemed human will. As you read the Canons of the Council of Orange, you will be able to see where John Calvin derived his views of the total depravity of the human race.
  • Quicumque vult (Athanasian Creed) (ca. A.D. 500) (Encarta® article)
    • The fullest statement of the Trinitarian faith in abstract metaphysical terms.
    • Part one: Augustinian definition of the Trinity
      • Each persona of the Trinity is fully divine
      • Each is unique to itself
      • Each is within the other, in perpetual intercommunication and motion, coequal and coeternal.
      • Damnatory clause for those who do not accept this teaching.
    • Part two: The doctrine of Christ
      • Anti-
        • Appollinarian
        • Nestorian
        • Eutychian
        • Monophysite
      • Reaffirms Ephesian and Chalcedonian council decisions.
      • Damnatory clause for those who do not accept this teaching.
  • Anathemas of the Second Council of Constantinople (A.D. 533)
  • Creeds and Statements - from the Period after A.D. 600
  • Later Creeds

Index

Adventists

Baptist & Anabaptist

Christian Church - Disciples of Christ

Evangelical Free Church of America

Episcopal/Anglican

Lutheran

  • The Augsburg Confession of Faith (& a whole lot more) - Philip Melancthon (1530)
  • The Book of Concord
    The Book of Concord (Link 2)
    - The Lutheran Confessions from 1529-1580
    • The Augsburg Confession(1530,1540) - Philip Melanchthon
    •  
      • Written on behalf of the Protestant territories of Northern Germany for presentation to emperor Charles V at the Diet of Augsburg. Melanchthon's twenty one original articles were composed as a response to John Eck's attack on the Protestants as guilty of being ancient heresies. Thus the articles attempt to show that the Protestant faith is in line with the ancient Church. Many, but not all, of the articles were acceptable to Rome. In 1540 Melancthon revised the confession to be acceptable to Calvin. The Lutherans rejected this revision and Melancthon himself. Melancthon's followers would then join the reformed camp.
      • Appendix - Catalog of Testimonies
    • Luther's Large Catechism
    • Luther's Little Book
    • The Smalcald Articles of Martin Luther
      • Written for Elector Frederick and the Smalcald League stipulating matters that could be discussed with Roman Catholics at a council they were invited to by Pope Paul III at Mantua. The Articles were written at a time when Luther felt death was near and hence they are a powerful expression of his personal faith.
    • Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope - (1563) Melancthon
      • When Luther's Smalcald Articles were added to the Book of Concord this small tract was attached to smooth over Luther's condemnation of the pope.
  • 95 Theses - Martin Luther (1517)
  • Doctrinal Position of the Missouri Synod (1932)
  • Confession of Faith of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
  • The Large Catechism - Martin Luther
    • The Large Catechism is an expansion of the Short Catechism through a collection and revision of several of Luther's sermons. Both catechisms were incorporated into the Book of Concord.
  • Luther's Small Catechism - Martin Luther
  • Lutheran and other Christian resources on the net - OK it's not a creed but it's a good link!
  • Porvoo Agreements with Anglicans
  • Project Wittenberg - Everything Luther(an)

Mennonite/Anabaptist

Methodist/Arminian

Orthodox

Pentecostal

Puritan & Pilgrim

Reformed

Religious Society of Friends

Roman Catholic

     Independent Old Catholic Church

United Church of Christ

Miscellany


2 posted on 05/25/2008 4:12:21 AM PDT by restornu ( Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 1 John 11)
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To: restornu

Below is the Creed of the Church, the body of Christ, that Bible believing Christians live by, ignoring the heresies of so many sects and denominations who follow traditions and substitute the laws of man for the laws of God.

[1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.]

13. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15. And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

16. For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


3 posted on 05/25/2008 4:23:35 AM PDT by kindred (I am now a third party conservative, the GOP is destroyed, conservative party is necessary.)
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To: restornu

Whew! I didn’t realize there were so many different definitions of what a Christian is!


4 posted on 05/25/2008 7:46:56 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: TheDon; restornu

Is this the “anti-Christian” thread for the day?


5 posted on 05/25/2008 7:56:21 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Protected species legislation enacted May 2008.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Hi greyfoxxx39,
I don’t think you can get more pro-Christian than this thread!


6 posted on 05/25/2008 8:00:25 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: TheDon; restornu
I don’t think you can get more pro-Christian than this thread!

Starting with the Articles of Faith? And a BYU propaganda video trying to validate the mormon claims of "restoration".

I think not. Nice try, though.

7 posted on 05/25/2008 8:08:54 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Protected species legislation enacted May 2008.)
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To: restornu
Good grief.
I kinda get the feeling that this post is:
“naner naner naner - I'm right you're wrong”.
I could be mistaken however.
8 posted on 05/25/2008 8:10:45 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: svcw

The Baptist Confession of 1688 is a bit over the top.


9 posted on 05/25/2008 8:33:13 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: restornu; Elsie; greyfoxx39; Gamecock
An LDS thread on the creeds of the Christian (non-LDS) churches just wouldn't be complete without a quotation of Joseph Smith's first vision....
I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”

Joseph Smith's "First Vision", verse 19, taken from History of the [LDS] Church, Vol. 1, Chapters 1-5


10 posted on 05/25/2008 8:57:20 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: greyfoxx39; TheDon; All

Well, since this IS the Lord’s Day, why don’t we just read what we want, form our opinions, and wait for tomorrow to post them. That way, we can keep the Spirit of the Day without feeling the gravity of disagreement.

At least, that’s the way I see it. :o])


11 posted on 05/25/2008 9:03:20 AM PDT by Monkey Face ("Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.")
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To: Monkey Face
The mormon perspective ... denigrate Orthodox Christianity in order to try and carve out a niche for the heresies of mormonism to be ‘just like the rest of Christendom. Figures that would be fine with some.
12 posted on 05/25/2008 9:43:31 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: svcw
I kinda get the feeling that this post is: “naner naner naner - I'm right you're wrong”. I could be mistaken however.

From my observations here on FR, that pretty seems to sum up the whole LDS faith.

13 posted on 05/25/2008 10:08:46 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: Monkey Face
Well, since this IS the Lord’s Day, why don’t we just read what we want, form our opinions, and wait for tomorrow to post them.

Why not have the thread pulled then, and repost it tomorrow? We could all concentrate on the Lord's day that way.

Plenty of room here for posts "without disagreement"

14 posted on 05/25/2008 10:10:10 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Protected species legislation enacted May 2008.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I, for one, will pretend the thread is a reference point, and as such, I can wait until tomorrow to discuss pro or con.

For today, I’d rather concentrate on things that are truly important to me, such as increasing my spirituality by changing my negative outlook about one thing. The thing is not the point. The outlook is.

For instance, I can choose to feel compassion for Ted Kennedy and his family, rather than concentrate on the politics they represent. See how easy that is?

:o])


15 posted on 05/25/2008 10:15:48 AM PDT by Monkey Face ("Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.")
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To: Monkey Face
Well, I can multi-task...

For example.......

16 posted on 05/25/2008 10:22:23 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Protected species legislation enacted May 2008.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Excellent choice!

Amen!


17 posted on 05/25/2008 10:23:36 AM PDT by Monkey Face ("Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.")
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To: restornu

Some creeds were more political documents than religous documents.

For example, there was a time when the King of England was getting a little too cozy with the Catholic church, and even married a Catholic woman. Parliament wanted to overthrow the king because of it. Fearing that Parliament would call on Ireland to help toss him off the throne, the King reached out to Scotland for help. Scotland said they would help IF the King had the CoE switch over to Presbyterianism. The Westminster Confession of faith was born out of those negotiations as a vehicle to help the king secure the help of the Scots to win a civil war.


18 posted on 05/25/2008 10:33:44 AM PDT by Grig
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To: Grig; P-Marlowe; MHGinTN; FastCoyote; Colofornian; Revelation 911
For example, there was a time when the King of England was getting a little too cozy with the Catholic church

Gosh, that sounds JUST like Utah!

The Westminster Confession of faith was born out of those negotiations

The flourishing and growth of the FLDS was born out of the inaction of Utah and Arizona.

" Fearing that Parliament the LDS authorities would call on Ireland loyal members to help toss him off the throne out of office...Shurtleff refrained from following through on 80 warrants against the Kingston family, "We elected not to do that to try and work with their attorney. And, of course, the result of that was all our subjects disappeared, our targets disappeared and we didn't get the warrants served like we hoped to do," said Shurtleff."

Is this the type of lesson you hoped to provide in your post regarding the Westminster Confession? Something along the lines of "faith and politics"?

19 posted on 05/25/2008 11:18:14 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Protected species legislation enacted May 2008.)
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To: Grig; restornu; greyfoxx39; P-Marlowe; MHGinTN; FastCoyote; Colofornian; Revelation 911
Some creeds were more political documents than religous documents. For example, there was a time when the King of England was getting a little too cozy with the Catholic church, and even married a Catholic woman. Parliament wanted to overthrow the king because of it. Fearing that Parliament would call on Ireland to help toss him off the throne, the King reached out to Scotland for help. Scotland said they would help IF the King had the CoE switch over to Presbyterianism. The Westminster Confession of faith was born out of those negotiations as a vehicle to help the king secure the help of the Scots to win a civil war.

Wot a coinkydink that someone should mention the WCF....

20 posted on 05/25/2008 12:34:32 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: greyfoxx39

Gosh, that sounds JUST like Utah!

****

I would say it peek his interest since he is from Canada!


21 posted on 05/25/2008 12:41:31 PM PDT by restornu ( Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 1 John 11)
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To: Alex Murphy; Elsie
Wot a coinkydink that someone should mention the WCF....

Does that give a clue as to why Joseph Smith said that

"He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself alying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, bmother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 

 Elsie would love to know.

22 posted on 05/25/2008 12:41:37 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Protected species legislation enacted May 2008.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Just to let you know I did not go into that direction I could have I had a jpg.

To be honest I never knew there were so many creeds I knew of the two most popular had no clue that even the same denomination had different creeds among them!

The point of the talk was many were to polemic or imposing bias restrictions which the Lord did not sanction by revelation some it took a few century to mold it where man was comfortable with it.

Reminds me why the Lord did not want anyone to steady the Ark of Covenants!

Some met well but that is not the Lord's way!

23 posted on 05/25/2008 12:54:37 PM PDT by restornu ( Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 1 John 11)
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To: restornu; greyfoxx39; Elsie; MHGinTN; colorcountry

Mormon schismatic movements, many of these vary in doctrine; some hold the same basic doctines as another except for one or two points, or vary in practice. See also this thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1994515/posts

FOUNDED BETWEEN 1830 AND 1844

Pure Church of Christ, Wycam Clark, 1831
The Independent Church, Hoton, 1832
Church of Christ, Ezra Booth, 1836
Church of Christ, Warren Parrish, 1837
The Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, The Lamb’s Wife, George M. Hinkle, 1840
Church of Christ, Hyrum Page, 1842
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, F. Gladden Bishop
True Church of Jessu Christ of Latter Day Saints, Law, Foster, Higbee, 1844
Church of Christ, William Chubby

NON-EXTANT MOVEMENTS FOUNDED 1844-1860

Church of Christ / Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion, Sidney Rigdon, 1844
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, James Emmett, 1844
Church of Christ, S. B. Stoddard, Leonard Rich, James Bump, 1845
Indian Mormon, 1846
Church of Christ, William McLellin, David Whitmer, 1847
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, William Smith, 1847
Congregation of Jehovah’s Presbytery of Zion, Charles B. Thompson, 1848
Church of Christ, James C. Brewster, 1848
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Lyman Wight, 1849
The Bride, The Lamb’s Wife or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Jacob Syfritt, 1850
Church of Christ, Hazen Aldrich, 1851

EXTANT MOVEMENTS

Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, James J. Strang, 1844

Church of Christ, Aaron Smith, 1846
Church of the Messiah, George J. Adams, 1861
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
Holy Church of Jesus Christ, Alexandre R. Caffiaux
House of Ephraim and House of Manasseh of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Jerry Sheppard
The True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, David L. Roberts
Marriage Counseling Group
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, John J. Hajicek
Strangite Believers in Pennsylvania

Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Brigham Young, 1847

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or Church of the First Born, Joseph Morris, 1861
The Prophet Cainan or Church of Jesus Christ of the Saints of the Most High God, George Williams, 1862
Morrisite Group, John Livingston, 1864
Church of Zion, William S. Godbe, 1868
Church of the First Born, George S. Dove, 1874
Priesthood Groups (Fundamentalists), 1890
United Order of Equality, Ephraim Peterson, 1909
The Church of Jesus Christ of Israel, J. H. Sherwood
Order of Aaron, Maurice L. Glendenning
Church of Freedom of Latter Day Saints, 1950s
Zion’s Order of the Sons of Levi, Marl V. Kilgore, 1951
The Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, Joel F. LeBaron
The Church of the Firstborn, Ross W. LeBaron, 1955
Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter Day Saints, William C. Conway, 1958
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, John Forsgren, 1960
Church of Jesus Christ, William Goldman, 1960
LDS Scripture Researchers/Believe God Society, Sherman Russell Lloyd, 1965
The Church of the Body and of the Spirit of Jessu Christ, Max Powers, 1965
United Order of the Saints of Guadeloupe, Michel Gamiette, 1966
United Order of the Family of Christ, David E. Desmond, 1966
Split from Zion’s Order of the Sons of Levi, Eldon Taylor, 1969
Homosexual Church of Jesus Christ, Denver, Colorado, 1972
Latter Day Saints Church, N.S. Park, 1972
The Church of the Lamb of God, Ervil M. LeBaron, 1972
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Mikhail Krupenia, 1972
The New Jerusalem Group, Kathryn Carter, 1972
The Watchmen on the Towers of Latter Day Israel, Miltenberg, Braun, 1973
Church of Jesus Christ in Solemn Assembly, Alexnader Joseph, 1974
Evangelical Church of Christ, Church of the New Covenant in Christ, John W. Bryant, 1974
Split form Zion’s Order of the Sons of Levi, Barton Kilgore, 1975
Affirmation, 1975
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Robert Simons, 1975
Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, Bruce Wakeham, 1975
Aaronic Order Break-off, 1977
Christ’s Church, Inc., Gerald Peterson, 1978
Church of Jesus Christ, Art Bulla, 1978
The Restorers or School of the Prophets, Robert C. Crossfield, 1979
Zion’s First International Church, LeeAnn Walker, 1980
The Free Will Mormon Church, Franklin Lee Coleman, 1980
Church of Jesus Christ, Jorge Mora, 1981
Sons Ahman Israel, Davied Israel, 1981
Samoan LDS Church, New Zealand, 1981
The Millennial Church of Jesus Christ, Leo P. Evoniuk, 1981
Peyote Way Church of God, Immanuel P. Trujillo, 1981
The Chruch of Jesus Christ of the Saints in Zion, Ken Asay, 1984
Break from the Church of Jesus Christ in Solemn Assembly, 1984
Church of Jesus Christ of All Latter-day Saints or Restoration Church of Jesus Christ, Antonio A. Feliz, 1985
Church of Christ of Latter-day Saints, Robert P. Madison, 1985
Church of Christ the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, Siegfried J. Widmar, 1985
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Fundamentalists, Wight Family, 1985
Mormon Fundamentalists, England, Alan and Marian Munn, 1986
Churchof Jesus Christ Omnipotent, 1987
Community of Zion, Central Utah Division
Church of the First Born, General Assembly

Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Church of Jesus Christ, Alpheus Cutler, 1853

Church of Jesus Christ, Clyde Fletcher, 1953
The Restored Church of Jesus Christ, Eugene O. Walton, 1979

Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, 1851-1860

Church of the Christian Brotherhood, Richard C. Evans, 1917
The Church of Christ, the Order of Zion, John Zahnd, 1918
The Church of Jesus Christ, Thomas W. Williams, 1925
Church of Jesus Christ Restored, Stanley M. King, 1970
New Jerusalem Church of Jesus Christ, Barney Fuller, 1975
Church of Christ Restored, Paul Fishel, 1976
True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Forrest Toney, 1980
Church of the Restoration or Churches of Christ in Zion, Robert Chambers, 1981
Lamanite Ministries for Christ or New Covenant Ministries for Christ, 1984
Restoration Branches Movement, 1984
Church of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, A. Lee Abramson, 1985
Church of Jesus Christ, Zion’s Branch, John Cato, 1986
Church of Christ, David Clark, 1986
Independent Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Christopher C. Warren, 1986

Native Indian Church
Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Church of Jesus Christ, William Bickerton, 1862

Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ, Allen Wright, 1907
Primitive Church of Jesus Christ, James Caldwell, 1914

Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of Church of Christ (Temple Lot), Granville Hedrick, 1863

Church of Christ, Independent, Informal, Frank F. Wipper, 1927
The Church of Christ, Otto Fetting, 1929
Church of Christ, P.A. Ely, 1929
Church of Christ, C.W. Humphrey, 1929
Church of Christ, Samuel Wood, E.J. Trapp, 1930
Church of Christ (Restored), A.C. DeWolf, 1936
Church of Christ, E. E. Long, Thomas Nerren, 1936
Church of Christ, Paul Hilgendorf, 1942
The Church of Christ With the Elijah Message, W. A. D. Draves, 1943
Church of Christ, Pauline Hancock, 1946
Antarctica Development Interests or the New American’s Mount Zion, John Leabo, 1955
Church of Christ at Zion’s Retreat, Gerald Hall, 1973
The Church of Israel, Dan Gayman, 1973
Break from the Church of Christ (Hancock), Davison, Michigan, 1973
The Church of Christ, Restored Gospel 1929, 1985

Others -
FLDS - dominant in the news today.
Apostolic United Brethren, which has added about 2,500 members in recent years.
True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days


24 posted on 05/25/2008 3:11:53 PM PDT by Godzilla (Decaffeinated coffee is like faith without works.)
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To: restornu

To prevent duplication, please do not alter the title. Thanks.


25 posted on 05/25/2008 3:38:06 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: restornu
John W. Welch

"...All Their Creeds Were
an Abomination":
A Brief Look at Creeds
as a Part of the Apostasy

Why, that looks like the lead card to the presentation. It gives the author's name, as well as the name of the presentation. Why did you change the title when you posted the thread?

26 posted on 05/25/2008 3:38:28 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: restornu
What is a creed?
 
 
 
This is...
 


 

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

 

 
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
 
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 


 
Definitions of creed:
 

27 posted on 05/25/2008 5:23:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TheDon
 
Whew! I didn’t realize there were so many different definitions of what a Christian is!

 
The reason you have so many MORMON Organizations  is because the Bible is subject to every spin that comes down the pike,
along with disagreements about all the other 'scriptures' that the faithful are SUPPOSED to BELIEVE in: BoM, D&C's, PGP, BoA... ad nauseum.
 


"We do not indorse the teachings of any so-called Mormons or Latter Day Saints, which are in conflict with the gospel of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, as taught in the New Testament and the Book of Mormon. They have departed in a great measure from the faith of the Church of Christ as it was first established, by heeding revelations given through Joseph Smith, who, after being called of God to translate his sacred word--the Book of Mormon--drifted into many errors and gave many revelations to introduce doctrines, ordinances and offices in the church, which are in conflict with Christ's teachings."

-- David Whitmer (an elder in the Church of Christ), 1887

 

Today, there are as many as 100 organizations claiming to be a part of the Latter Day Saint movement, most centered in Utah or Missouri. Most regard their own group, however small, to be the only legitimate Christian church. Most of these organizations are very small, but overall, but the second largest denomination, the Community of Christ, reports over 200,000 members.

Just a sampling...........


28 posted on 05/25/2008 5:24:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
 
 
 

 
Timeline:
1:34        It's behind us...
2:12        Don't worry about those little flicks of history...



It's behind us!

 
Don't worry!!

29 posted on 05/25/2008 5:25:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Alex Murphy
 
Joseph Smith's "First Vision", verse 19....

 
 
 
But to WHICH version of the 'vision' are you going to refer?  There are a BUNCH of them!!
 
 

 FIRST VISION:VARIOUS VERSIONS OF VISIONS
 
Version Number 
When  Published 
Brief Description
Age 
Year
Pillar  
of  light
 No. of 
Person- 
ages
Father 
Present
Son 
Present
Question: 
Join What 
Sect?
Remarks-References 
 
1. Offical version,  written 1838,
 first  Published 1842
 (There are minor differences between the various source references,
Ensign  Jan 1985, page 14) 
   14

  1820
   yes         2 
yes 

Both spoke  
 
yes  
 
Join none 
Lucy, Hyrum, Samuel, Sophronia join the Presbyterian Church - JSH, pages 49-50, 1981 edition;
Times & Seasons, March, April 1842;
Ensign Jan. 1985, page 14;
Joseph Smith's First Vision by
Milton V. Backamn, Bookcraft, 1971, 1980, Appendix C, page 160f 
2. Dictated by Smith to F.G. Williams, Summer to Nov. 1832  14 or 15     yes  
 
      1      no  
 
yes 

Saw Lord,

He  "spoke"

No question,
told "None doeth good",
sins forgiven 
Joseph Smith's First Vision, Appendix A, page 155f 
 
 
 
3. Written by Smith,
his 1832 diary,
in his own hand
 15  
 
   yes  
 
      1  
 
   no  
 
yes 

Saw the Lord Jesus  Christ

No question,
 told sins forgiven,
all do no good 
Ensign, Dec. 1984, pages 24-26; ibid, Jan. 1985, page 11
4. Smith's diary of 1835,
recorded by
Warren Cowdery,
Nov. 9, 1835, conversation of Smith with Joshua
About 
14 
yes  
 
One, then another like unto first 
 ?  
     ? 
Second spoke, saw  many angels
No questions,
told sins forgiven,
Jesus is Son 
Joseph Smith's First Vision, Appen. B 
5. Letter form Smith to
John Wentworth,
editor of Chicago Democrat
none  
   no  
       2 

They spoke
     ?  
 
No Question  
 
Joseph Smith's  First Vision, Appendix D;
Ensign, Jan 1985, page 16;
Times & Seasons, Vol  3, pages 706-707, March 1, 1842
6. Early church leaders
Brigham Young, G.A.Smith,
John Taylor 
   15  
 
   no  
 
        1 
Saw an angel, and asked the angel
   no 
 
 
 
 
 
   no 
 
 
 
 
 
   Join none 
 
 
 
 
 
See Journal of Discourses,
  2:17;
18:239;
13:77, 78;
20:167;
12:333, 334.
 
web/firvista.html 
5-11-95, Rev 8-8-98
 
John Farkas,     Berean Christian Ministries, P.O. Box 1091, Webster, N.Y. 14580

30 posted on 05/25/2008 5:27:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Monkey Face
Well, since this IS the Lord’s Day, why don’t we just read what we want, form our opinions, and wait for tomorrow to post them.

But...

Who knows what Tomorrow may bring???


 
 

THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI
HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY
CHAPTER 14
 
An angel tells Nephi of the blessings and cursings to fall upon the Gentiles—There are only two churches: the Church of the Lamb of God and the church of the devil—The saints of God in all nations are persecuted by the great and abominable church—The apostle John shall write concerning the end of the world. Between 600 and 592 B.C. 
 
   1 And it shall come to pass, that if the Gentiles shall hearken unto the Lamb of God in that day that he shall manifest himself unto them in word, and also in power, in very deed, unto the taking away of their stumbling blocks—
  2 And harden not their hearts against the Lamb of God, they shall be numbered among the seed of thy father; yea, they shall be numbered among the house of Israel; and they shall be a blessed people upon the promised land forever; they shall be no more brought down into captivity; and the house of Israel shall no more be confounded.
  3 And that great pit, which hath been digged for them by that great and abominable church, which was founded by the devil and his children, that he might lead away the souls of men down to hell—yea, that great pit which hath been digged for the destruction of men shall be filled by those who digged it, unto their utter destruction, saith the Lamb of God; not the destruction of the soul, save it be the casting of it into that hell which hath no end.
  4 For behold, this is according to the captivity of the devil, and also according to the justice of God, upon all those who will work wickedness and abomination before him.
  5 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, Nephi, saying: Thou hast beheld that if the Gentiles repent it shall be well with them; and thou also knowest concerning the covenants of the Lord unto the house of Israel; and thou also hast heard that whoso repented not must perish.
  6 Therefore, woe be unto the Gentiles if it so be that they harden their hearts against the Lamb of God.
  7 For the time cometh, saith the Lamb of God, that I will work a great and a marvelous work among the children of men; a work which shall be everlasting, either on the one hand or on the other—either to the convincing of them unto peace and life eternal, or unto the deliverance of them to the hardness of their hearts and the blindness of their minds unto their being brought down into captivity, and also into destruction, both temporally and spiritually, according to the captivity of the devil, of which I have spoken.
  8 And it came to pass that when the angel had spoken these words, he said unto me: Rememberest thou the covenants of the Father unto the house of Israel? I said unto him, Yea.
  9 And it came to pass that he said unto me: Look, and behold that great and abominable church, which is the mother of abominations, whose founder is the devil.
  10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.
  11 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over ball the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people.
  12 And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters; nevertheless, I beheld that the church of the Lamb, who were the saints of God, were also upon ball the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small, because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw.
  13 And it came to pass that I beheld that the great mother of abominations did gather together multitudes upon the face of all the earth, among all the nations of the Gentiles, to fight against the Lamb of God.
  14 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the power of the Lamb of God, that it descended upon the saints of the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord, who were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and they were armed with righteousness and with the power of God in great glory.
  15 And it came to pass that I beheld that the wrath of God was poured out upon that great and abominable church, insomuch that there were wars and rumors of wars among all the nations and kindreds of the earth.
  16 And as there began to be wars and rumors of wars among all the nations which belonged to the mother of abominations, the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold, the wrath of God is upon the mother of harlots; and behold, thou seest all these things—
  17 And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel.
  18 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, saying: Look!
  19 And I looked and beheld a man, and he was dressed in a white robe.
  20 And the angel said unto me: Behold one of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
  21 Behold, he shall see and write the remainder of these things; yea, and also many things which have been.
  22 And he shall also write concerning the end of the world.
  23 Wherefore, the things which he shall write are just and true; and behold they are written in the book which thou beheld proceeding out of the mouth of the Jew; and at the time they proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, or, at the time the book proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, the things which were written were plain and pure, and most precious and easy to the understanding of all men.
  24 And behold, the things which this apostle of the Lamb shall write are many things which thou hast seen; and behold, the remainder shalt thou see.
  25 But the things which thou shalt see hereafter thou shalt not write; for the Lord God hath ordained the apostle of the Lamb of God that he should write them.
  26 And also others who have been, to them hath he shown all things, and they have written them; and they are sealed up to come forth in their purity, according to the truth which is in the Lamb, in the own due time of the Lord, unto the house of Israel.
  27 And I, Nephi, heard and bear record, that the name of the apostle of the Lamb was john, according to the word of the angel.
  28 And behold, I, Nephi, am forbidden that I should write the remainder of the things which I saw and heard; wherefore the things which I have written sufficeth me; and I have written but a small part of the things which I saw.
  29 And I bear record that I saw the things which my father saw, and the angel of the Lord did make them known unto me.
  30 And now I make an end of speaking concerning the things which I saw while I was carried away in the spirit; and if all the things which I saw are not written, the things which I have written are true. And thus it is. Amen.

31 posted on 05/25/2008 5:28:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SkyPilot
I kinda get the feeling that this post is: “naner naner naner - I'm right you're wrong”. I could be mistaken however.

You mean like THIS???


 
 

MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
VERSION 3.0
S h o r t h a n d

R e f e r e n c e :

1. We're Superior; We have a special gift of the holy Ghost - you don’t! (cite needed)
2. We're Superior; We have God’s true priesthood power - you don’t! (cite needed)
3. We're Superior; We can go in God’s secret Temple - you can’t! (cite needed)
4. We're Superior; We’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge - you’re just normal! (cite needed)
5. We're Superior; We’ll have Our families with Us in heaven - you’ll be with strangers! (cite needed)
6. We're Superior; We're becoming a God - you aren’t! (cite needed)
7. We're Superior; Our women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t. (cite needed)
8. We're Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - ours comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures). (cite needed)
9. We're Superior; We don’t HAVE a creed - We’ve got 13 Articles of Faith! (cite needed)
10. We're Superior; We have four standard works and you only have one — in as far as it is translated correctly. (cite needed)
11. We're Superior; We can state with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. — and you can’t. (cite needed)
12. We're Superior; We are right (everybody knows) when We say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics --

-- You’re hideous narrow-minded bigots, who are persecuting us by practicing discrimination by saying We're not a Christian.

(cite needed)
13. We're Superior; We have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day — you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself. (cite needed)
14. We're Superior; We have magic underwear to protect us from the bogey man and you don’t. (cite needed)
15. We're Superior; We have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so We get admitted to the celestial kingdom — you don’t - so you can’t. (cite needed)
16. We're Superior; We will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when We get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably —

-- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!

(cite needed)
17. We're Superior; We're going to hie to Kolob while you’re going to who knows where. (cite needed)
18. We're Superior; We get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity and you don’t. (cite needed)
19. We're Superior; We have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding Our temple — all you have is a stupid cross. (cite needed)
20. We're Superior; Our church has billions in assets stashed away and yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty. (cite needed)

32 posted on 05/25/2008 5:31:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
Elsie would love to know.

Hel Oops!

HECK: we ALL would!

33 posted on 05/25/2008 5:33:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Some met well but that is not the Lord's way!

Being an ignorant, 14 yo farmboy with NO bible knowledge; listening to two Satanic deceivers is not the Lord's way either.

34 posted on 05/25/2008 5:35:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla

There is only one restored Church of Jesus Christ and His anointed servant Joseph Smith and at the time Joseph was martyred everyone tried to pick up the mantle but it did not belong to them, it be long to the anointed servant of the Lord’s Jesus Christ, Brigham Young.

Where are those Churches today?

None of the were able build Zion all over the face of the earth!


35 posted on 05/25/2008 5:43:04 PM PDT by restornu ( Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 1 John 11)
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To: TheDon; restornu; greyfoxx39
Whew! I didn’t realize there were so many different definitions of what a Christian is!

yet they are all unified on the triune (read Trinitarian) nature of God and the Atonement on the Cross (not the garden)

Its funny how you accept peepstone writings, but throw away over 2000 years of faithful professions of holy, spirit filled followers of Christ, for the KJV inspired BOM and mistranslated funerary texts

how are those kinderhook plates workin for ya?

36 posted on 05/25/2008 5:46:47 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: restornu
There is only one restored Church of Jesus Christ

And the mormon church is not part of it.

Joseph was martyred

He was killed in a gun fight after illegally ordering the Nauvoo Expositor to be destroyed.

Where are those Churches today?

Many are still around, and some are growing like the FLDS and related.

None of the were able build Zion all over the face of the earth!

Neither has mormonism :)

37 posted on 05/25/2008 5:49:11 PM PDT by Godzilla (Decaffeinated coffee is like faith without works.)
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To: restornu

“it be long to the anointed servant of the Lord’s Jesus Christ, Brigham Young.”

Better, I suppose than “it be short to the annointed . . .”


38 posted on 05/25/2008 5:55:37 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Revelation 911; TheDon; restornu; greyfoxx39
how are those kinderhook plates workin for ya?

Probably about as good as the Greek Psalter. Now this is inspired:

THE BOOK OF MELPH
WRITTEN BY MELPH, THE SON OF ZELPH
CHAPTER 5

Melph decides to write a few more things. He promises this book is true, and challenges all to find out the truthfulness for themselves through Melph's promise. Melph desires all to live in peace and harmony. [About 401 A.D.]

1. And it came to pass that I decided to write a few more things.

2. Now many shall say this book be not a true book, for they shall think that it was made up, and that the things written in it did not really happen. And the enemies of this book shall say that because it has bad grammar, yea, it is not a true book, and because no evidence doth support it, yea, it is not a true book.

3. Nevertheless, believe not the words of the enemies of this book, for I challenge thee to take a gamble, and believe the words within this book, yea, even shall ye roll the dice on the truthfulness of this book. For many Lamanites do roll the dice, and gamble for money, but yea, no gamble shall be more important than betting on the truthfulness of this book.

4. And I promise thee that if ye ask if this book be not true, and roll a pair of dice with a sincere heart, and desire exceedingly for the book to be true, yea, the dice shall reveal the truthfulness of this book unto thee.

5. And if ye roll a seven, yea, it doth mean this book be a true book, and ye shall rejoice at the knowledge of the truthfulness of this book. For no learned man shall sway thy opinion with supposed evidences against this book, for once the dice have spoken the debate is over.

6. And if ye roll not a seven, yea, fear not that this book be not true, for this book is true, yea, even do I promise.

7. And something that is true cannot be proven untrue. Wherefore, if ye roll not a seven, it be not the fault of this book, and it doth prove not that this book be untrue, because this book is true, wherefore, it cannot be proven untrue.

8. Wherefore, if ye roll not a seven it was an error, and ye must roll the dice again, yea, even with a more sincere heart, and even desiring more to know the truth.

9. And if ye again roll not a seven, and if ye roll not a seven three times, yea, it be the fault of the dice. Wherefore, retrieve different dice, and roll again.

10. And ye must keep rolling dice until ye roll seven. And after the manner in which ye roll a seven, behold, ye shall rejoice at thy knowledge of the truthfulness of this book.

11. And I bear witness unto thee that ye shall know this book is true through the dice.

12.And it came to pass that I desire to say a few more things before I really do end my writing, yea, even do I say that me and the Three Nephites do live together, yea, even are we best friends.

13. And the Three Nephites are white, and I am dark. And like unto the stripes on a zebra, yea, we do live side by side, even in perfect harmony.

14. And I exhort all to fight not, and to be friends, for 'tis better to havest friends than to havest enemies.

15. And now I do really make an end to my writings, and I go to spend time with my friends, yea, even the Three Nephites, for we have a show to perform soon, and we must rehearse.

16. Wherefore, I bid ye adieu.

http://www.bookofzelph.com/melph/05.html

39 posted on 05/25/2008 5:57:19 PM PDT by Godzilla (Decaffeinated coffee is like faith without works.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Why, that looks like the lead card to the presentation. It gives the author’s name, as well as the name of the presentation. Why did you change the title when you posted the thread?

***

You did not read my post I said in the opening line

“Just to let you know I did not want to go into that direction I could have I had a jpg.”

Many here always want to gravitate towards contention I prefer a civil discussion

It was to talk about the hundred of Creeds in Christendom.

As far as the world knew there were only a few Creeds.

When I was growing up there was always divisions among all the Churches just because they put a Band-Aid on it did not make it go away look at all the contention that still exist on this FR RF board!

Even in the major religions there is in fighting going all with social issues.


40 posted on 05/25/2008 5:58:32 PM PDT by restornu ( Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 1 John 11)
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To: restornu
Where are those Churches today? None of the were able build Zion all over the face of the earth!

Inquiring minds want to know where temple Lot is?

This thread, "The False Prophecies of Joseph Smith," has stood the test of time...informing FReepers for the past 5 years:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/835357/posts

Prophecy # 7 — Temple to be Built in Zion, Missouri

This prophecy comes directly from Doctrine & Covenants Section 84, the introduction of which states: Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, September 22 and 23, 1832. HC 1:286-295.

1. A revelation of Jesus Christ unto his servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and six elders, as they united their hearts and lifted their voices on high.

2. Yea, the word of the Lord concerning his church, established in the last days for the restoration of his people, as he has spoken by the mouth of his prophets, and for the gathering of his saints to stand upon Mount Zion, which shall be the city of New Jerusalem.

3. Which city shall be built, beginning at the temple lot, which is appointed by the finger of the Lord, in the western boundaries of the State of Missouri, and dedicated by the hand of Joseph Smith, Jun., and others with whom the Lord was well pleased.

4. Verily, this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation.

5. For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house.

The Mormons were forced to flee Missouri due to persecution and a temple was never built on the "temple lot" in the lifetime of Joseph Smith or within the generation of his contemporaries.

41 posted on 05/25/2008 5:58:32 PM PDT by Colofornian (As the fLDS is now, the LDS once was. As the fLDS is now, the LDS will become)
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To: Godzilla

None of the were able build Zion all over the face of the earth!

Neither has mormonism :)

*****

Stake is another word for Zion

Shows the historic growth of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Church). Each dot refers to a “stake”, which is typically about 8-15 congregations.

Mormon History: Growth Around the World - LDS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjDJRu8d5gI


42 posted on 05/25/2008 6:17:19 PM PDT by restornu ( Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 1 John 11)
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To: restornu
Shows the historic growth of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Church).

Thats nice, increase it by at least 3 orders of magnitude and you might just start catching up to Christianity.

43 posted on 05/25/2008 6:19:54 PM PDT by Godzilla (Decaffeinated coffee is like faith without works.)
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To: Godzilla

In the Lord’s own time table He calling His sheep not the wolves in sheep clothing!:)

Those who have ears to hear the voice of their master will follow...


44 posted on 05/25/2008 6:41:17 PM PDT by restornu ( Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 1 John 11)
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To: Godzilla
Probably about as good as the Greek Psalter

thanks for confirming

45 posted on 05/25/2008 6:57:11 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: restornu
In the Lord’s own time table He calling His sheep not the wolves in sheep clothing!:)

I agree, Smith was/is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Those who have ears to hear the voice of their master will follow...

Which is why Christianity is growing so fast world wide. :)

46 posted on 05/25/2008 7:03:51 PM PDT by Godzilla (Decaffeinated coffee is like faith without works.)
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To: Revelation 911
thanks for confirming

LOL, was there a doubt?

47 posted on 05/25/2008 7:04:49 PM PDT by Godzilla (Decaffeinated coffee is like faith without works.)
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To: restornu
...it be long to the anointed servant of the Lord’s Jesus Christ, Brigham Young.

Just WHO 'anointed' him?

48 posted on 05/26/2008 4:14:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

The Lord Jesus Christ!


49 posted on 05/26/2008 4:17:51 AM PDT by restornu ( Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 1 John 11)
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To: Godzilla

And I can stay that I have seen the plates!

I have EATEN from the plates; the product of the creative forces of the Melamines.

At least THESE things CAN be found by archeologists!


50 posted on 05/26/2008 4:18:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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