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To: restornu; Elsie; greyfoxx39; Gamecock
An LDS thread on the creeds of the Christian (non-LDS) churches just wouldn't be complete without a quotation of Joseph Smith's first vision....
I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”

Joseph Smith's "First Vision", verse 19, taken from History of the [LDS] Church, Vol. 1, Chapters 1-5


10 posted on 05/25/2008 8:57:20 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: Alex Murphy

Just to let you know I did not go into that direction I could have I had a jpg.

To be honest I never knew there were so many creeds I knew of the two most popular had no clue that even the same denomination had different creeds among them!

The point of the talk was many were to polemic or imposing bias restrictions which the Lord did not sanction by revelation some it took a few century to mold it where man was comfortable with it.

Reminds me why the Lord did not want anyone to steady the Ark of Covenants!

Some met well but that is not the Lord's way!

23 posted on 05/25/2008 12:54:37 PM PDT by restornu ( Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 1 John 11)
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To: Alex Murphy
 
Joseph Smith's "First Vision", verse 19....

 
 
 
But to WHICH version of the 'vision' are you going to refer?  There are a BUNCH of them!!
 
 

 FIRST VISION:VARIOUS VERSIONS OF VISIONS
 
Version Number 
When  Published 
Brief Description
Age 
Year
Pillar  
of  light
 No. of 
Person- 
ages
Father 
Present
Son 
Present
Question: 
Join What 
Sect?
Remarks-References 
 
1. Offical version,  written 1838,
 first  Published 1842
 (There are minor differences between the various source references,
Ensign  Jan 1985, page 14) 
   14

  1820
   yes         2 
yes 

Both spoke  
 
yes  
 
Join none 
Lucy, Hyrum, Samuel, Sophronia join the Presbyterian Church - JSH, pages 49-50, 1981 edition;
Times & Seasons, March, April 1842;
Ensign Jan. 1985, page 14;
Joseph Smith's First Vision by
Milton V. Backamn, Bookcraft, 1971, 1980, Appendix C, page 160f 
2. Dictated by Smith to F.G. Williams, Summer to Nov. 1832  14 or 15     yes  
 
      1      no  
 
yes 

Saw Lord,

He  "spoke"

No question,
told "None doeth good",
sins forgiven 
Joseph Smith's First Vision, Appendix A, page 155f 
 
 
 
3. Written by Smith,
his 1832 diary,
in his own hand
 15  
 
   yes  
 
      1  
 
   no  
 
yes 

Saw the Lord Jesus  Christ

No question,
 told sins forgiven,
all do no good 
Ensign, Dec. 1984, pages 24-26; ibid, Jan. 1985, page 11
4. Smith's diary of 1835,
recorded by
Warren Cowdery,
Nov. 9, 1835, conversation of Smith with Joshua
About 
14 
yes  
 
One, then another like unto first 
 ?  
     ? 
Second spoke, saw  many angels
No questions,
told sins forgiven,
Jesus is Son 
Joseph Smith's First Vision, Appen. B 
5. Letter form Smith to
John Wentworth,
editor of Chicago Democrat
none  
   no  
       2 

They spoke
     ?  
 
No Question  
 
Joseph Smith's  First Vision, Appendix D;
Ensign, Jan 1985, page 16;
Times & Seasons, Vol  3, pages 706-707, March 1, 1842
6. Early church leaders
Brigham Young, G.A.Smith,
John Taylor 
   15  
 
   no  
 
        1 
Saw an angel, and asked the angel
   no 
 
 
 
 
 
   no 
 
 
 
 
 
   Join none 
 
 
 
 
 
See Journal of Discourses,
  2:17;
18:239;
13:77, 78;
20:167;
12:333, 334.
 
web/firvista.html 
5-11-95, Rev 8-8-98
 
John Farkas,     Berean Christian Ministries, P.O. Box 1091, Webster, N.Y. 14580

30 posted on 05/25/2008 5:27:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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