Posted on 07/10/2007 6:55:28 PM PDT by indcons
Pope Benedict XVI declared yesterday that Christian denominations other than his own were not true churches and their holy orders have no value.
Protestant leaders immediately responded by saying the claims were offensive and would hurt efforts to promote ecumenism.
Roman Catholic- Anglican relations are already strained over the Church of England's plans to ordain homosexuals and women as bishops. The claims came in a document, from a Vatican watchdog which was approved by the Pope.
It said the branches of Christianity formed after the split with Rome at the Reformation could not be called churches "in the proper sense" because they broke with a succession of popes who dated back to St Peter.
As a result, it went on, Protestant churches have "no sacramental priesthood", effectively reaffirming the controversial Catholic position that Anglican holy orders are worthless.
The document claimed the Catholic church was the "one true church of Christ".
Pope Benedict's commitment to the hardline teaching comes days after he reinstated the Mass in Latin, which was sidelined in the 1960s in an attempt to modernise.
The timing of the announcement fuelled speculation that the pontiff - regarded as an arch-conservative before his election in 2005 - is finally beginning to impose his views on the Catholic Church.
The Vatican said it was restating the position set out by the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in 2000 in a document called Domine Jesus because theologians continued to misunderstand it.
At that time, Anglican leaders from around the world made their anger felt by snubbing an invitation to join Pope John Paul II as he proclaimed St Thomas More the patron saint of politicians.
Bishop Wolfgang Huber, head of the Evangelical Church in Germany, said the Vatican document effectively downgraded Protestant churches and would make ecumenical relations more difficult.
He said the pronouncement repeated the "offensive statements" of the 2000 document and was a "missed opportunity" to patch up relations with Protestants.
James was an original Apostle - Galatians 1:17-19.
Neither went I to Jerusalem, to the apostles who were before me: but I went into Arabia, and again I returned to Damascus. Then, after three years, I went to Jerusalem to see Peter: and I tarried with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles I saw none, saving James the brother of the Lord.
FC:Therefore, Mormons should be claiming to be Mormons and the rest of us failed Mormons.
LG:That doesn’t make any sense. Why would Mormons consider a Taoist or a Muslim to be a failed Mormon? Or do you think that everyone was a Mormon originally? That would actually bolster Mormon claims then, wouldn’t it?
Where the heck do you Taoists or Muslims? I think you just throw out garbage questions for amusement.
Mormons are claiming to be a “restored” church. That means the consider themselves to be a superset of “failed” Christianity. Yet they claim to be a subset of the Christian brotherhood.
Claiming to be a superset and subset at the same time is disingenuous, it is an attempt to confuse the gullible.
There, is that clear enough? No Taoists or Muslim’s to be seen.
...I would suggest we all judge by the standards of scripture.
No, lets not, Islam, not Christianity, is the “religion of the book” Sola scriptura is not a Christian tradition, it is a tradition of man.
The book of Galations was written after Paul’s second visit to Jerusalem during the meeting at the Jerusalem Church over the mission to the Gentiles( Gal 2:1 Act 15:1-4). James, the Lord’s brother was the Pastor at the time. James, the Lord’s cousin, the previous Pastor of the Church, had been martyred sometime before (Act 12:2).
When Paul is writing the Galation letter he is referring to James by his then title.
There are ZERO Muslims who believe in the Trinity. The Koran REJECTS the Trinity.
The Christian God is a Trinity. The Old Testament God is a Trinity.
Let's say that the Christian God is a guy named Fred who has brown hair and stands 6 feet 2 inches.
Let's say the Muslims claim their god's name is Allan who has black hair and is the size of mini-me.
Let's say the Muslims then say, "No way our god's name is Fred with brown hair and 6'2" tall!"
Let's say some guy named Consuela comes along and says, "Christians and Muslims worship the same god."
Let's say some guys named xzins, p-marlowe, and blue-duncan say, "They're different. They even look different. They got different names."
And then let's say that Consuela says, "Well, it really doesn't matter anyhow, 'cause I'm right."
Wouldn't that be sort of like the Chris Farley interview of Paul McCartney on SNL?
Chris Farley: ... [ pause ] O-kay.. remember.. you remember when you were with The Beatles, and you were supposed to be dead, and, uh, there was all these clues, that, like, uh, you played some song backwards, and it'd say, like, "Paul Is Dead", and, uh, everyone thought that you were dead? That was, um, a hoax, right?Paul McCartney: Yeah. I wasn't really dead.
Chris Farley: Right. I think we.. I think we got time for one more question. Uh.. remember when you were in The Beatles? And, um, you did that album Abbey Road, and at the very end of the song, it would.. the song goes, "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make"? You.. you remember that?
Paul McCartney: Yes.
Chris Farley: Uh.. is that true?
Paul McCartney: Yes, Chris. In my experience, it is. I find, the more you give, the more you get.
I do, but I pray more for those who believe they worship the same God and those who believe in such a hateful one god have any advantage over an other unbeliever. Much less, “first place advantage”. I think rather it would be harder to give up one’s perceptions of that god rather than discard a bunch of them to see that there is only one true God. In any event, the pope still kissed the koran, giving his approval to that religion that kills both the body and the soul. Sorry you can’t see how very wrong that is. Not much more I think I can say to you to help you see that. So I stronly suggest you take it to serious prayer.
You continue not to read what I write.
The OLD TESTAMENT is Trinitarian.
THE APOSTLE PAUL says that the Jews are BLIND on this subject.
Therefore, they are worshipping the RIGHT GOD, yet in IGNORANCE.
The Muslim BOOK, THE KORAN, on the other hand, REJECTS the TRINITY. ZERO Muslims believe in it.
In short, Fred is not Allan.
Got it now?
Let the pray'n begin! or continue, what ever the case may be.
Why is it so important for you to believe that Muslims worship the moon, rock, Satan, what ever, while you insist that the Jews worship the true God despite the fact that both a Jew and a Muslim will tell you to your face that Christ is not divine, and the Trinity is a polytheistic heresy, in short both a Muslim and a Jew will agree that fred is not God.
Both need Christ, or do you think the Jews are exempted from the gospel?
No, they do NOT. That is not scriptural at all. If you think that it is, then please provide the scripture and why you think it says that. God's plan of salvation was accomplished at the cross. Remember, this is from the same office that kissed the evil Koran.
Mormons are claiming to be a “restored” church. That means the consider themselves to be a superset of “failed” Christianity. Yet they claim to be a subset of the Christian brotherhood.
Claiming to be a superset and subset at the same time is disingenuous, it is an attempt to confuse the gullible.
I understand your confusion. The Mormons certainly claim to be a superset, but they do not claim to be a subset. They do not claim to be a branch of the Catholic or any other church. They just like any other church, worth mentioning, claim to be the one true Church. Just like the Catholics claim to be the one true Church or did you miss that part?
I frankly dont have the time or inclination - youre unwilling to reassess your position, so Im chasing after ghosts
have a great evening
Nowhere in scripture does it state that another election took place where another man named James replaced James the Apostle. Where in scripture can I find this election?
?? Where is that ??
Mormons believe the same thing, do they not? Ever hung out with Southern Baptists?
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