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Pope picks up the phone in defence of the Old Rite
The Catholic Herald ^ | January 5, 2007 | Mark Greaves

Posted on 01/05/2007 1:37:38 PM PST by Carolina

POPE BENEDICT XVI has spoken by telephone to a number of French bishops to persuade them to accept a wider use of the Tridentine Mass, it has been claimed.

The Pontiff brought French bishops who oppose the Tridentine Mass "to a reluctant but decisive change of view", according to the Priestly Fraternity of St Peter (FSSP), an organisation of Old Rite priests that the Pope strongly supports.

It is widely expected that a papal document will soon be released to allow priests to celebrate the Tridentine Mass – using the pre-Vatican II 1962 Latin Missal – without the explicit permission of the local bishop, though probably only in the low-key setting of a "private" celebration. The document, which will be released motu proprio, or on the Pope’s own initiative, has caused concern among bishops in France, where traditionalist groups are particularly active.

But efforts by the French episcopate to "torpedo" the initiative have failed, according to Videre Petrum, the FSSP’s British newsletter.

"It is said that the mild but persuasive words of Pope Benedict, who personally spoke by telephone to many of the most intransigent enemies of tradition among the bishops of France, worked a sort of miracle, and brought them to a reluctant but decisive change of view, or at least to a recognition of the limits of disobedience," the newsletter said. Cardinal Jorge Medina Estevez, a former prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, said last month that the Vatican’s Ecclesia Dei commission had discussed the document and would pass on its conclusions to the Pope.

The cardinal added that he did not expect the commission, set up in 1988 to oversee Vatican relations with traditionalists, to discuss the document any further.

Commentators say priests will be allowed to celebrate the Tridentine Rite without permission at "private Masses" that would be nevertheless be open to the public.

The proposed reform would put pressure on the bishops of England and Wales to adopt a more welcoming stance towards the FSSP, which currently has only two priests based in London.


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Orthodox Christian; Worship
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; catholic; frenchepiscopacy; mass; motuproprio; pope; popebenedictxvi; tridentinemass
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1 posted on 01/05/2007 1:37:41 PM PST by Carolina
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To: NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; narses

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 01/05/2007 1:38:22 PM PST by Carolina
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To: ELS; marshmallow; AnAmericanMother; Convert from ECUSA; wagglebee; RobbyS; murphE
From Rorate Cæli:
by Sophie de Ravinel (translation by The New Liturgical Movement)

The pontifical document is awaited with a certain fear in France, where the bishops expressed their reservations. Ardently desired by Pope Benedict XVI and begun in the autumn, the reconciliation of the Catholic Church with the Lefebvrists should take a decisive step at this beginning of the year 2007 with the awaited publication of a papal decree freeing up the Mass of St. Pius V. We could thus see the appearance in the parishes of France Masses according to the Latin rite in force before the 2nd Vatican Council.

How many churches exactly will adopt the Old Mass, in parallel with the actual rite? It is impossible to foresee. But the pressure of the minority traditionalists, active and demanding, should be strong in certain places, in particular in Paris. The Pope for a long time has thought of putting an end to the schism of 1988. Why leave separated from the Church hundreds of priests and thousands of faithful, while at the same time we preach dialogue with other religions?

It is without doubt in France, where mistrust in regard to the traditionalists remains strong, where Benedict XVI's plans have the most barriers to overcome. ...


3 posted on 01/05/2007 1:42:39 PM PST by Carolina
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To: Frank Sheed
Ping! More on the motu proprio!
4 posted on 01/05/2007 1:45:03 PM PST by Carolina
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; Desdemona; ...

Catholic ping!


5 posted on 01/05/2007 1:49:22 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: Carolina

Prayers for Pope Benedict. God bless him and help him.


6 posted on 01/05/2007 1:52:04 PM PST by Nihil Obstat (viva il papa)
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To: Carolina
Prayers for the Holy Father and for the FSSP.

There's an FSSP parish in our archdiocese. Great people, godly priests.

7 posted on 01/05/2007 1:54:43 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Carolina
Viva Il Papa!

If Benedict XVI deposed all the French bishops, would anyone notice/care? Are there any Catholics left in France?
8 posted on 01/05/2007 1:55:34 PM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Nihil Obstat

He is only asking the bishops to do what they should have done thirty years ago, which is to accomodate the feelings of the faithful. Unfortunately, the reforms were rammed down the throats of the faithful. As the pope has said, the people got the feeling that the divine liturgy was, after all, only the work of men. How many Catholics were led to abandon the Church by this radicalism? My guess is that many of those who turned to evangelicalism were seeking some rock to cling to and found it in the Bible only dogma.


9 posted on 01/05/2007 1:57:51 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHI)
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To: RobbyS
He is only asking the bishops to do what they should have done thirty years ago...

I've noticed that the liberals in the church tend to be passive-agressive types. That type in the hierarchy worries me more than muslims. Prayers for the Pope on this First Friday.

10 posted on 01/05/2007 2:06:02 PM PST by Nihil Obstat (viva il papa)
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I would probably faint dead away if I got a call from B16.

I hope these Bishops felt the same.


11 posted on 01/05/2007 2:21:23 PM PST by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: Carolina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6AOvStZS64

"Traditional Latin Mass filmed on Easter Sunday in 1941 at Our Lady of Sorrows church in Chicago. The film presents the ceremonies of the Missa Solemnis or Solemn High Mass in full detail with narration by then-Mgr. Fulton J. Sheen. Celebrated by Rev. J. R. Keane of the Order of Servites (hence the white habits and cowls), the ceremonies are accompanied by a full polyphonic choir, orchestra, and fifty Gregorian Chanters."

12 posted on 01/05/2007 2:45:26 PM PST by monkapotamus
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To: monkapotamus
WOW! Thanks for the post! I am going to get my husband to fix our sound hook--up so I can listen and watch.

Thanks again!

13 posted on 01/05/2007 2:49:26 PM PST by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: Miss Marple

You're welcome!


14 posted on 01/05/2007 2:54:27 PM PST by monkapotamus
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To: netmilsmom

Hello, Mom!

Amen to all that, and don't you know a lot of our squirelly(sp?) American liberal Catholic bishops would go slam bang into cardiac arrest if any of THEM got such a phone call!

Dennis


15 posted on 01/05/2007 2:56:08 PM PST by Dennis Paul Morony (Semper Fi!)
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To: monkapotamus

Bump to myself for later viewing.


16 posted on 01/05/2007 3:04:41 PM PST by Hoosier Catholic Momma ('But why is the rum gone?' Captain Jack Sparrow)
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To: monkapotamus
Thanks for embedding the video.

Makes me recall this by Pope St. Gregory the Great:

"At that hour of the Sacrifice, at the words of the Priest, the heavens are opened, and in that mystery of Jesus Christ, the choirs of Angels are present, and things below are joined to things on high, earthly things to heavenly, and the service is both a visible and an invisible event."

17 posted on 01/05/2007 3:09:48 PM PST by Carolina
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To: Nihil Obstat; AnAmericanMother; Antoninus
Prayers for Pope Benedict. God bless him and help him.

Amen!

18 posted on 01/05/2007 3:10:27 PM PST by Carolina
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To: Carolina

Rumours, rumours, rumours.


I'm STILL (not really, but play along) from Missouri.


SHOW ME.


19 posted on 01/05/2007 3:16:26 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Carolina

Viva Il Papa! I love this Pope!


20 posted on 01/05/2007 3:27:16 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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