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The worst of times: Evangelicalism in critical condition
Pyromaniac ^ | 16 July 2005 | Phil Johnson

Posted on 08/08/2006 1:06:47 PM PDT by Gamecock

he worst of times: Evangelicalism in critical condition

With the wild popularity of so many evangelical fads like "Forty Days of Purpose"; the lucrative success of the Christian publishing and contemporary Christian music industries; the growing influence of the "emerging church" phenomenon; and a recent cover story by Time magazine featuring "The 25 Most Influential Evangelicals in America," lots of evangelicals might be tempted to think these are the best of times for their movement.

My own assessment would be that evangelicalism's spiritual condition at the beginning of the twenty-first century is reminiscent of the medieval church just prior to the Protestant Reformation.

No, I take it back. Things are much worse among evangelicals today than they were in the Catholic Church in those days. Modern and postmodern evangelicalism is just like medieval Catholicism was—only more superficial.

Think about it: Luther was provoked by Tetzel, the charlatan fund-raiser who went through Europe promising people indulgences in return for money so that the Pope could build St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican. We've got at least a dozen Tetzels appearing daily on TBN, promising people material prosperity in exchange for money. Jan Crouch uses that money to make the sets of the TBN studios more garish and more gaudy than any room in the Vatican, and she has added so many tawdry pink hair extensions to her hairdo that it now rivals the size of the dome on St. Peter's.

Tetzel peddled his indulgences with trite songs and sayings ("As soon as the coin in the coffer rings, the soul from purgatory springs"). Modern evangelicals are experts in writing doggerel and banal platitudes and have even made silly, superficial songs the centerpieces of all their liturgy.

The medieval church was overrun with superstition. We've got people reciting the prayer of Jabez every day who are convinced it's a magic formula that will bring them wealth and good luck.

The Medieval church produced Niccolò Machiavelli, the cynical and unscrupulous political theorist who believed the end always justifies the means. We've got a host of evangelical celebrities with shady reputations, from Gary Ezzo to Benny Hinn. We've also got a thousand church-growth "experts" who insist pragmatism is the only workable philosophy for the church today, and that we will never "reach" this generation until we first study which way the winds of popular culture are blowing and follow along.

Evangelicalism as a movement has bought that lie. That's why we have so many Fad-Driven® Churches and so few where Christ is honored and His Word obeyed. That's why the gospel is not only in eclipse but actually under attack on several fronts within evangelicalism.

We don't need more hype and activity and mass movements. We need the pure light of God's Word—"the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises" (2 Peter 1:19).

The alternative is a postmodern darkness that is shaping up to be worse than the murkiest spiritual gloom of the Dark Ages. We could sure use a new generation of Reformers.




TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: christian; christianity; church; evangelical; evangelicalism; evangelicals; grpl; modernism; problems; reformed; tbn
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To: xzins; Alex Murphy; P-Marlowe; Gamecock

All that being said, after looking at what Alex posted and a little around Johnson's blog, maybe the pic of Jan isn't that out of place in context to the stuff he usually writes/posts.

I just didn't think it fit the tone of this piece. But I've already drug this out far too long.


21 posted on 08/08/2006 7:32:40 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands

This article is a slam on evangelicals.

The real problem with evangelicals, as near as I can tell, is exciting worship, stirring music, folks finding the Lord, and big churches.

These guys might as well bash them, because it's obvious that someone's going to bash them.


22 posted on 08/08/2006 7:36:21 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Gamecock; xzins; Corin Stormhands
No, I take it back. Things are much worse among evangelicals today than they were in the Catholic Church in those days. Modern and postmodern evangelicalism is just like medieval Catholicism was—only more superficial.

FWIW you don't see modern superficial evangelicals roasting heretics on an open fire.

23 posted on 08/08/2006 7:41:03 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: P-Marlowe; Gamecock; xzins; blue-duncan
The fact is that there are good evangelical churches and bad evangelical churches. As with the Presbyterian and Episcopalian Churches, the ones that are getting all the attention are the bad ones.

Couldn't agree more. Rewind to this past Christmas. As I recall, 99.999999999% of churches held service on Christmas day. Four churches (maybe 5) decided not to. So, which story got headlines, sermons and about 25 FR threads? Right. "Evangelicals are anti-Christmas!!"

24 posted on 08/08/2006 7:44:54 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: P-Marlowe
Heretics roasting on an open fire
Jesuit nipping off their nose
25 posted on 08/08/2006 7:48:23 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: backtothestreets
If evangelicals make ready the way for an antichrist

I've seen SOME evangelicals do some really, really stupid things.

But I have never, ever seen that.

Got a cite?

26 posted on 08/08/2006 7:50:33 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
Our church, which normally has 4 services on Sunday, only had one service on Christmas day. Most of the Churches that did not have service on Christmas day, had services on Christmas eve night (which from a biblical standpoint is actually Sunday and was therefore Christmas Day).

FWIW, the Puritans fined anyone they caught celebrating Christmas. I guess Massachusetts hasn't changed that much in 500 years. :-)

27 posted on 08/08/2006 7:51:28 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: P-Marlowe

Apparently, Spurgeon wasn't too keen on it either. http://www.founders.org/blog/2005/12/spurgeon-on-christmas.html

But at least he didn't advocate fining celebrants (that I know of). :-)


28 posted on 08/08/2006 8:04:18 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
Apparently, Spurgeon wasn't too keen on it either.

Spurgeon was a Baptist. They hate everything.

They even hate Cigars. :-)

29 posted on 08/08/2006 8:08:28 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: Gamecock

It's interesting to see the reaction to this. Johnson, who's on staff at a Baptist megachurch, is a Presbyterian who hates big churches.


30 posted on 08/08/2006 8:40:29 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: Gamecock

Excellent.


31 posted on 08/08/2006 9:35:28 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: AlbionGirl

Amen, Sister!

We are a dull and legalistic American church. Is it any wonder that the world looks to drugs and sex as an alternative? If the Church isn't providing the sweet incense of new life all that is left is escapism from this dying world.

Like so many Willy Lomans we can't understand why Biff is lost. We peddle our fire insurance with clownish advertising icons unable to compete with cute Gekkos. Never has so much truth been expressed in a cute little quip. "People trust advertising icons." So we keep trying.

When we begin expressing the joy of the liberty of new life we can expect the world to understand the awe of new life.


32 posted on 08/08/2006 9:54:45 PM PDT by Blois
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To: Gamecock
A reminder to the weary:

Jesus said, "I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it."

33 posted on 08/08/2006 10:26:27 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: xzins
This article is a slam on evangelicals.

The real problem with evangelicals, as near as I can tell, is exciting worship, stirring music, folks finding the Lord, and big churches.

These guys might as well bash them, because it's obvious that someone's going to bash them.

On the other hand, if the shoe fits, maybe they should wear it. Not all Evangelicals ae bad, nor are they all good. In trying to answer the perceived swipe at all Evangelicals, you make the equally egregious mistake of dismissing it entirely as not applying to any Evangelicals at all.

34 posted on 08/09/2006 1:34:34 AM PDT by nobdysfool (Faith in Christ is the evidence of God's Predestination, not the cause of it....)
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To: backtothestreets; topcat54; Alex Murphy

***If evangelicals make ready the way for an antichrist, that is who they serve, not the one that may follow if it is the time God alone knows.***

That is a fascinating observation. Thanks for sharing. I am pinging some who are discussing such on another thread for their input.


35 posted on 08/09/2006 1:51:49 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Jesus came to raise the dead. He did not come to teach the teachable." Robert Farrar Capon)
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To: P-Marlowe

***You know your mainline Presbyterian churches aren't doing too well these days either.***

It is Presbyterian in name only. There are ample threads around here that are pointing out the problems with that church, and you will find my thoughts on those threads as well.

The bottom line here is are you serving a particular denomination and willing to defend it at all costs, or is your worldview based on Scripture? Can you stand back and say my church is doing x, y, or z wrong?


36 posted on 08/09/2006 2:50:54 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Jesus came to raise the dead. He did not come to teach the teachable." Robert Farrar Capon)
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To: Corin Stormhands

***All that said, Johnson loses some credibility points by trying to write a serious article and then posting that photoshopped picture of Jan Crouch.***

Is that who that is? I thought it was Tammy Fay Baker.


37 posted on 08/09/2006 2:52:07 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Jesus came to raise the dead. He did not come to teach the teachable." Robert Farrar Capon)
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To: P-Marlowe
Modern evangelicals aren't capable of recognizing true heresy. Most evangelicals on this board think heresy is not agreeing with the trend de jour.
38 posted on 08/09/2006 2:53:59 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Jesus came to raise the dead. He did not come to teach the teachable." Robert Farrar Capon)
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To: Blois

Amen.


39 posted on 08/09/2006 2:56:12 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Jesus came to raise the dead. He did not come to teach the teachable." Robert Farrar Capon)
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To: AlbionGirl; Diamond; Gamecock
But it's the dullness, as he portrays it, that leads a girl to take her child's life. And, contrary to popular thought, I don't think girls who have abortions are torn about what they've done to the degree that is warranted or portrayed.

Dear AlbionGirl, you make some interesting comments on the quotation you posted up in #8. It seems to me the man is speaking to Christians when he says, "The most critical issue facing Christians...."

I interpreted the quotation to be saying that while issues of the day - Christian causes, if you will, for that is how he seems to refer to them - are important, what matters most is knowledge of the Holy One, and this means awe. As the man says,

We have lost our astonishment. The Good News is no longer good news, it is okay news. Christianity is no longer life changing, it is life enhancing.

So to speak as you do about women who have had abortions - are you speaking of those who are dead in their sins while doing so, or of those who are born-again and do so (and is that possible)? - saying, "I don't think girls who have abortions are torn about what they've done to the degree that is warranted or portrayed," perhaps you are unintentionally fulfilling the very thing you are trying to speak against.

For this poster testifies to you that at the age of 19 I chose to abort my first child. At the time I was separated from Christ, dead to God, ignorant and completely sold to sin. At the age of 29 I was simultaneously made aware that the abortion I chose was murder and that Jesus Christ died for my sin and rose again, and that by repentance (oh, turning away!) and believing in His Name (the turning to Him Alone who could save!) I too would be given Life from the dead. The whole of Wisdom, the Truth, the Life of God was then granted to me and I was sealed with the Holy Spirit. How sweet His Word became to me, how precious my communion with God and with the saints in this unity of Christ! How I was set free!

Yet your words speak to some other way, some other form of repayment for post-abortive women. What would constitute, in your opinion, "a warranted degree of being torn about what they've done"? Should they who are now in Christ never rejoice in Him?

A quotation from another man on another FR thread seems warranted in closing; I think it speaks more closely to your original quotation than your follow-up remarks, for this is the awe:

Give Jesus Christ his full glory—not half of it. Give him the glory, both as the one who is perfect righteousness for us—which we have by faith alone—and the one who, on the basis of justification, works progressive righteousness in us. Don’t rob him of the glory of his role as your righteousness. He is your righteousness. And because he is your righteousness, he can, and will in time, make you righteous. Look to Christ alone, trust in Christ alone—not your righteousness—for your right standing in God’s court and your acceptance with him. Amen.

The one who is forgiven much loves much, said the Master. This is the awe: His great mercy toward us while we were yet sinners, and His great power over sin and death, and this too-good-to-be-true-yet-true love and forgiveness is free to all who will receive it, and when truly received instills, inspires, and overflows with great awe!

I had the awesome pleasure of sharing this same great news with another dead sinner yesterday, and I saw the message received for the good news it was - awe for mercy! awe for the message and that He would use this messenger! awe every time it is received among men! If even the angels rejoice, why not we?

But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared [held in AWE].
Psalm 130:4

Because of what He has done for me, for me personally, this wretched vile murderous creature, because of Who He Is and Who He Sent, I live in awe every day of my life in Christ. Oh! this is freedom and this is life from the dead!

So I took up your comment, "They move on quite easily," to explain to you why I am dancing so effortlessly - It is Christ in me, the hope of Glory.

And I pray some other post-abortive man or woman will see this my testimony and know the God of my salvation as I know Him. Only in Thee, dear sweet Savior Jesus!

40 posted on 08/09/2006 3:22:24 AM PDT by .30Carbine ("Jesus came to raise the dead. He did not come to teach the teachable." Robert Farrar Capon)
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