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Modern Bibles are the Result of Many Edits:
CanWest NS / National Post [Canada] ^ | Jennifer Green

Posted on 05/06/2006 7:04:47 AM PDT by canuck_conservative

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To: canuck_conservative

Incorrect. The Gospel of John was written by the apostle. Many characteristics of John show how accurate and early it was: geographical details, speech patterns, and so forth.


21 posted on 05/06/2006 7:34:18 AM PDT by sine_nomine (No more RINO presidents. We need another Reagan.)
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To: fishtank
Just don't pick up the Living 'bible' or "The Message" "bible".

Neither of those are true Bibles. They are unreliable and inacurrate.

Nonsense! These books have their place.

22 posted on 05/06/2006 7:36:39 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Thank you.


23 posted on 05/06/2006 7:36:50 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: canuck_conservative

read later bump


24 posted on 05/06/2006 7:38:13 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

According to that genius Dan Brown, the real ancient religion (of Jesus? - not clear on this) is Sophia Goddess Fertility Worship, with its chief liturgy consisting of the Horizontal Mambo.

We know this because The Last Supper, which definitely does not exist in its original, shows us all the hidden Da Vinci Code. Now that is an edited work. I wonder if a single orginal brushstroke survives.

And the Mona Lisa really spells out Amon Isis. Get the Da Vinci joke? Even Mona is smiling. Oh, wait. It was never called that during his lifetime. Nevermind.


25 posted on 05/06/2006 7:38:39 AM PDT by sine_nomine (No more RINO presidents. We need another Reagan.)
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To: sine_nomine

So what else is new?

In my Bible class everyone has a different Bible. Someone even has that big, black floppy one with the red letters...you know the one Jesus (and Clinton) carried around.

But, they kinda all say the same thing.


26 posted on 05/06/2006 7:40:08 AM PDT by altura (Bushbot No. 1 - get in line.)
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To: canuck_conservative
From what I've heard, there was NO contemporary account of Christ's words

The Gospel of John was written by the Apostle John, who witnessed it all.

27 posted on 05/06/2006 7:40:24 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: canuck_conservative

The Gospel of St. Matthew was written possibly as early as A.D. 60, probably before A.D. 70 (since it, or for that matter, any of the Gospels, does not mention the destruction of the temple in that year), and by no means any later than A.D. 100.


28 posted on 05/06/2006 7:40:52 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: canuck_conservative
Prof. Ehrman began his academic career as a fundamentalist and evangelical who took the Bible as literal truth. Now, he sees the Bible as "a very human book with very human points of view, many of which differ from one another, and none of which offers an inerrant guide to how we should live."

Sad.

29 posted on 05/06/2006 7:42:44 AM PDT by mombonn (God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.)
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To: canuck_conservative

Why do you think God sent Moroni?


30 posted on 05/06/2006 7:43:51 AM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: bert

I will mention why I prefer the King James Version. The KJV is really the Tyndale translation. Tyndale was burned at the stake for his trouble. The KJV scholars used Tyndale as the basis for their edition. Tyndale was within Luther's circle, another plus. The KJV was good enough that it was virtually the only English Bible until 1950. The KJV was supposed to be read out loud, so it reads well in public use and is easy to memorize. Modern versions are great if someone has a tin ear for the English language. The modern ones (even modern versions of the KJV) insert their doctrinal preferences into the word choices.


31 posted on 05/06/2006 7:44:29 AM PDT by sine_nomine (No more RINO presidents. We need another Reagan.)
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To: canuck_conservative
From the moment Christ left Earth, His followers were debating what His life and death had really meant, and how His teachings ought to be preached. All manner of letters and gospels were produced, many in conflict with one another. These authors setting down the story of Jesus saw themselves as writers creating a new story, not scribes transcribing an old story.

This is all part of the determined revival of the Gnostic heresy, represented by The Da Vinci Code, The Gospel of Judas, etc.  And the above quote fits in exactly with the central heresy that marks the movement as evil, pure and simple.   

"Christ left the Earth, His followeres were debating what His life and death really meant..."

Not "life, death and resurrection."  They deny that happened because they insist He was not divine, merely a "good man" or a "rabbi."  This is also a central tenet of Islam.  Jesus is not God, is not His Son and forget about that whole Holy Spirit nonsense.

These works exist not to bring salvation or enlightment but to try and steal salvation and deny enlightenment by obscuring the truth with lies.  As ever, their goal is unreachable, but they can bring pain, dissension, fear and doubt.  I wonder who might enjoy inspiring that sort of mission?  Certainly not God.

Simon Magus, Marcion, Valentinus, Carpocrates led the Gnostic heresies in scurrying behind the footsteps of the Apostles after the Christian faith began to spread.  But Gnosticism predates Christ and goes back easily to the era of Cyrus in Babylon and perhaps beyond.  It is most definitely not a monotheistic religion and rejects the God of Abraham and the Prophets virtually in their entirity.  And it has continued to survive through the Christian era by hiding as some form of "secret society" avialable only to the "initiates" guarding some great knowledge.

The evil motives and tactics ascribed by Brown to Catholics in The Da Vinci Code are better seen as descriptions of the Gnostic views and practices, yet the Gnostics are the "worthy heros" struggling against their "evil oppressors" throughout history. 

The basic threads of Gnosticism are also closely interwoven with Islam and illuminate that cults actions and aims.  And again, they share the central and overwhelming insistence that Jesus was not divine.  Both Islam and the so called "Christian" Gnostic heresies, particularly those represented in the Da Vinci Code, insist that Christ did not die on the Cross but "tricked" everyone and escaped.  The Da Vinci Gnostics add the twist of a royal blood line descended from Jesus.  And it is a variation on this theme that the NAZIs embraced in their particular occult system of beliefs.

My big question is "why now?"  Why does the Gnostic heresy raise it's ugly head again, just in time for the resurgence of Jihadi militants?  Whose interests are served? 

"And you will know them by their fruits."

32 posted on 05/06/2006 7:45:25 AM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: canuck_conservative
From what I've heard, there was NO contemporary account of Christ's words - the earliest New Testament Gospel was written about 100 years after his death (presumably passed down orally until then - and we all know the problem about passing stories ...)

That is totally false. See When were the books of the New Testament Written? Furthermore, one fragment (7Q5)from the Gospel of Mark found in cave 7 at Quram is dated by some excellent scholars as early as 42 AD.
33 posted on 05/06/2006 7:46:17 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: canuck_conservative
Prof. Ehrman began his academic career as a fundamentalist and evangelical who took the Bible as literal truth. Now, he sees the Bible as "a very human book with very human points of view, many of which differ from one another, and none of which offers an inerrant guide to how we should live."

Let me guess......the Professor has now "discovered" he/she is gay, or bi-sexual?

34 posted on 05/06/2006 7:46:35 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Getting honest answers from Congress...is like putting socks on roosters.)
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To: canuck_conservative
When those that translated the King James were finish there was attached a letter warning the reader about much controversy about the translation and it is not limited to the New Testament only.

How about that the transformation of the word Passover to Ishtar oh I mean Easter?
35 posted on 05/06/2006 7:48:28 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: canuck_conservative

There are over 20,000 manuscripts with our gospels all together. They were also all written within 100 years of Christ. The other gospels, commonly refered to as the Gnostic gospels, were written MUCH later. This guy does not know bibliology or hermenuetics.


36 posted on 05/06/2006 7:48:37 AM PDT by Lemondropkid31 (Our battles are first won or lost in the secret places of our will in God’s presence.)
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To: canuck_conservative
From what I've heard, there was NO contemporary account of Christ's words

You've also no doubt heard that Bill Clinton's administration was the most ethical administration ever.

37 posted on 05/06/2006 7:48:46 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Getting honest answers from Congress...is like putting socks on roosters.)
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To: canuck_conservative

I believe the first biography of Mohammed was written 200 years after his death. One story reveals that he was born already circumcised, that he fell onto the ground, raised up a hand full of dirt and said, "Praise Allah." Of course, 200 years after his birth, they may have gotten a few details wrong.


38 posted on 05/06/2006 7:52:50 AM PDT by sine_nomine (No more RINO presidents. We need another Reagan.)
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To: BibChr

Hold your nose before you read this one.


39 posted on 05/06/2006 7:53:16 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: MBB1984
I wouldn't put any stock in Mr. Ehrman's heresies.

Have you read his book, and/or do you know him?

40 posted on 05/06/2006 7:53:59 AM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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