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[kerryusama04]

I do not disagree with you, what I would add Christ became the Sabbath and it is in Him that we rest every day of the week.

Do you have a scripture for this? This is not what Christ practiced nor preached. In fact, the Pharisees tried to get him to break the Sabbath so that they could stone him.

Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were hungry, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him; Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. Mat 12:9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue: Mat 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. Mat 12:13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other. Mat 12:14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.

No I am not saying it is wrong to go to church on Sunday or Saturday, just that the calendars have been altered so much by so many that realistically and/or legally speaking no man can with confidence say that our days of the week this day are the specific days of the week from Exodus when the law was given to keep the Sabbath.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

In our Roman terminology, Saturday is the Sabbath. Sunday is the First Day.

I just got this from a net search

I hope all this hasn't already been covered, I haven't read through the posts yet.

[Diego1618]

the calendars have been altered so much by so many that realistically and/or legally speaking no man can with confidence say that our days of the week this day are the specific days of the week from Exodus when the law was given to keep the Sabbath.

I think if you do some research you will indeed find that days have been added and subtracted from the "Official" calendars over the centuries. What I also have found is that the cycle of days has never been broken. For instance, when The British Calendar Act of 1751 added eleven days, the day after Wednesday the second became Thursday the fourteenth etc.,etc. The seven day cycle remained the same.

[tenn2005]

It depends on how you define "just after". According to John, she came to the tomb while it was still dark and the tomb was empty, the stone was rolled back (John 20:1) The book of Matthew verifies that this was what we would call Saturday night (Matthew 28:1).

If it was dark the sun had sat on the seventh day of the week. Therefore it was on the first day of the week per Luke 24:1, not the seventh day that Mary returned to the tomb, having visited there late on the Sabbath per Matt 28:1. Mary and the other two women found the tomb empty early, just before daybreak, on the first day of the week while it was yet dark. The Jewish day begins before it is dark. The first part of the Jewish day is known as "twilight".

He was resurrected just before sundown on what we call Saturday night. Mary first saw him on what we call Sunday morning.

As the Sabbath ended Mary visited the tomb along with Mary, the mother of James. That would have been at dusk. At the Early morning visit Salome joined them. There were two separate visits to the tomb. One by two women late on the sabbath (Matt 28:1)and the other by three women early on the morning of the first day of the week (Mark 16:1-2,Luke 24:1). It was at the second visit that the tomb was found empty, not the first.

[Just mythoughts]

Scriptural verification.

Genesis 2:2 "rested" is in the Strong's, the Hebrew #7673 'shaw-bath'; a prime. root: to repose, i.e. desist from exertion; used in many impl. relations (cause., fig. or spec.): (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away )down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

The word 'Sabbath' is first used in Exodus 16:23 is the same Hebrew word as used in Exodus 20:8 and is in the Strong's the Hebrew # 7676 shab-bawth',intense, from 7673; intermission, i.e. (spec.) the Sabbath; - (+every) sabbath.

Mark 2:27 word sabbath is the Strong's Greek #4521 sab'-bat-on; of Heb. or [7676] the Sabbath )i.e.Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extens. a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plur. in all the above applications; sabbath (day), week.

Mark 2:27 And He said unto them, "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

v 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

I am sorry but this is all the time I have right now, however it is only the foundation that Christ is where we sabbath in or by the meaning of the word "rest" in.

[kerryusama04]

I don't get it.

[Diego1618]

As a follow up to my post #222....Mark 16:1 says, [When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body.] We know that this is after the first Sabbath of Unleavened Bread (Wednesday night/Thursday) because after purchasing these spices (Thursday night/Friday)....they rest again [Luke 23:56] for the Sabbath of Friday night/Saturday.

Mark was not an eyewitness to the events. Mark only wrote down what he heard Peter say.....sometimes, not in the exact sequence. Papias was a companion of Polycarp and also heard the Apostle John speak. (See section VI) He relates these things to us in his "Exposition of the Oracles of The lord". Papias tells us that Mark was careful not to omit anything but sometimes his writings were not in exact order.

Consequently we read in Mark 16:2, [Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?"] Mark has just made a three day leap in time to Sunday morning from Thursday night between verse 1 and 2.

These are not the same women! In Matthew 28:1 the women arrive at the tomb "Late on the Sabbath", about sundown. And in verse 8 they hurry away to tell the disciples. In Luke 24 :9 they again "tell the disciples" after finding the tomb open and empty. Also John 20:2 shows Mary the Magdalene running to "tell the disciples". All these events have taken place shortly after sunset of the Sabbath.

Only in Mark 16:2 do we find "they" were on "their" way to the tomb on the first day of the week after "sunrise". Verse 8 tells us this group of women, after being told to go and tell the disciples....say nothing to anyone, because they were afraid. When you realize that Mark is not speaking of the same group of women and makes a three day leap in time between verse 1 and 2, then Mark's narrative begins to harmonize with Matthew, Luke and John.

[Cvengr]

..what I would add Christ became the Sabbath and it is in Him that we rest every day of the week."

bears repeating. Nice perspective. Worthy a word study.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

""When those that translated the King James were finish there was attached a letter warning"

Where? Not in the preface directed to King James""

You mean this one?



http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/pref1611.htm

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Where? Not in the preface directed to King James"


It is in my "Cambridge University Press" King James Version.

"TO THE MOST HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE JAMES......."

Or this one...http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/pref1611.htm from the origional 1611 KJV still found in some of the bigger Cambridges.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I have been looking for an on line copy of Wycliff's bible!!
Thanks!

[tenn2005]

This is an accurate quote of the King James 1611 Version. Not the King James Authorized Version, which was published in 1769. Nor the Revised version, which was published much later.

(KJV-1611) Now when Iesus was risen early, the first day of the weeke, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seuen deuils.

Here is Mark 16:9 from the original 1611 KJV and a link where you can check it out. You have changed the punctuation by adding a comma as I said before.

9: Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Original 1611 KJV

[dominic flandry]

"Even village scribes could barely comprehend what they were writing."

This is nonsense. In 367 Anno Domini the Roman Empire was still intact. Who does this guy think was reading all those inscriptions on buildings and tombstones?

I do not know what the rate of literacy was in the Roman Empire but I suspect it was much greater than in some Third World countries today. Those Third World countries have newspapers.

I agree with your point.

[GarySpFc]

Even Jesus could read and write.

[TaxRelief]

I have been looking for an on line copy of Wycliff's bible!!
Thanks!

:-)

[TaxRelief]

Women were suddenly given greater equality and lenience (Mary Magdalene was a great example) during the period immediately following Jesus' death and resurrection. BUT with privileges came responsibility, and illiterate women were not prepared to enter religious discussion of the Talmud or the letters.

Men already knew the "rules of engagement" for discussion during scriptural debate, and literacy was a key element to participation. Besides being incapable of reading the scriptures adequately, women also did not have the skills and the ability to be silent--a critical component of "civilized debate"-- and therefore were expected to follow the lead of their menfolk. [From what I can see, most women still do not have the ability (ducking).]

Remember, at the time all "instruction" was biblically centered. Paul may not have meant that a woman could not teach a group of boys how to type.

Those sections "in which Paul exhorts women to be silent" were probably not added much later, and almost certainly were added in response to inappropriate (untrained) intrusion into scriptural debate by womenfolk.

On the other hand, I have watched some very cruel humiliations of boys at the hands of female teachers. Christina Hoff Sommers wrote an insightful book--"The War on Boys"--that explores the emasculation of males at the hands of female instructors in our educational institutions.

http://www.bookpage.com/0007bp/christina_hoff_sommers.html

[jboot]

Revelations was written by John. 666 refers to John 6:66

Wow, Jesus must have been being literal whaen He said that John "would live until he returns". He wrote the book of Revelation after 1555 AD!

Hint: Before that, bibles didn't have verse reference numbers...

[spunkets]

Hint: God knew you before you were born.

[DouglasKC]

Here is Mark 16:9 from the original 1611 KJV and a link where you can check it out. You have changed the punctuation by adding a comma as I said before.
9: Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Once again, I did not add anything. If you notice the spelling of words you'll see that I'm quoting the original 1611 with old English spelling:

(KJV-1611) Now when Iesus was risen early, the first day of the weeke, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seuen deuils.

You keep quoting the modernized version of the 1611 edition with updated spelling which presumably also altered punctuation. I got my verse from E-Sword, a free electronic bible program that is my primary reference. You can download it and also download the King James, 1611 bible module if you would like. Please do it so you will quit accusing my of lying.

If that's not enough, the same verse is also listed online here

Look in the far right column under "KJV".

Now please stop accusing me of adding things. I don't need to make things up to make the point. There are other versions, as I pointed out, that translate it similarly.

[fortunecookie]

In fact, many of our modern Bibles are based on the wrong originals, says Bart Ehrman in his best-selling book Misquoting Jesus: The Story behind who Changed the Bible and Why. Even our beloved King James version has several segments based on a 12th-century manuscript that scholars now say was one of the most error-riddled in the history of the New Testament.

Aaah, let me guess. Bart and crew have found the absolute real versions. And it supports, coincidently, every point where he disagrees with Church teaching. Wow, amazing. (with sarcasm)

To date, 5,700 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament have been discovered, the earliest a tiny fragment of John 18 written around 120 CE. Including the 10,000 Latin Vulgate versions, and the thousands in other languages, we have between 200,000 and 400,000 variants of the New Testament today.

Oh, yes, this champion for the Bible can't refer to the year 120 as AD, in reference to the Jesus whose words he's claiming to want to properly quote. Just the bland 'Common Era'.