DNA testing telling us what we already know
The book of Mormon is a lie. It has been proven so many times.
That aside I love Mormons and they have impressed me as some of the most devout and moral religious people I know but I believe they are devoutly wrong in hanging onto a book written by a con man.
The mythology of Mormonism is vast and starting with the seer stones that Smith managed to translate letter by letter into King James style English from Egyptian tablets really leaves the core of Smith's account empty as an obvious half-plagiarized fantasy. One could easily go on and talk about demon protecting underwear, baptizing the dead, and Quakers on the moon.
Joseph Smith crafted what could be best described as "historical" fiction with a scifi twist. Here is a good link for those who are interested.
http://sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/OH/miscoh07.htm
One of my relatives wrote an equally fictional "bible" called Oahspe.
http://archives.nmsu.edu/exhibits/shalam2/shalam1.html
A good article on the DNA stuff I'd heard about.
The Mormon faith has many more problems that discredit it beyond this controversy. At least its members are generally decent people.
How many religions have been started by delusional narcissistic egomaniacs? I guess it's best not to start a list...
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A certain kind of religious mind is completely undeterred by facts or common sense. DNA evidence won't be accepted by Mormon true believers any more than it will be accepted by our 'BritAm' FReepers.
Ping, after I go to the concession stand...
So, if you can't prove scriptural claims by scientific evidence, that means that claim is false? Tread carefully, Bible believers, because scientific evidence is not especially kind to Biblical claims either. Or maybe you can point to hard scientific evidence of a worldwide flood. Have scientists found the Noah haplotype through which, according to the Bible, all modern people descend? If you believe claims that 30,000 year old DNA refutes the Book of Mormon, what does that do to the Adam claim? Since there's no scientific proof of the presence of Israelites in Egypt or of their migration across the Sinai, does that mean it didn't happen? Scientists also dispute any evidence of an extensive David/Solomon kingdom in the middle east--according to your standard, that means it didn't happen? Was Christ not resurrected because there is no objective scientific proof it happened?
Or do you think it is all right to use scientific evidence, especially negative (can't prove it) evidence to refute only those religious claims with which you don't believe? Be consistent. If Mormonism lives or dies according to current scientific evidence, then Christianity as a whole should do so also.
Faith means just that. It requires faith and that means science will never, in this mortal existence, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that religion is true or false because then faith is not necessary.
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I wonder if there's one about "The Donation of Constantine"? ;')
Losing a Lost Tribe:
Native Americans, DNA,
and the Mormon Church
by Simon G. Southerton
This week in South Park, the Super Adventure Club [SAC] brainwashed Chef into becoming a pedophile. The SAC cult sounded like a mixture of Scientology and Children of God.
Since so many Freepers belong to cults like Mormonism, these thread exposing cults are usually moved to Religion or Chat forum, or deleted altogether.