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Synod Reflects on a Key Ecumenical Question
Zenit News Agency ^ | October 5, 2005

Posted on 10/05/2005 6:09:23 PM PDT by NYer

Communion for Christian of Other Confessions

VATICAN CITY, OCT. 5, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Several interventions at the Synod of Bishops over the first three days have focused on intercommunion, namely, the possibility of Christians of other confessions receiving the Eucharist.

Among those who have addressed the issue are Cardinal Georges Cottier, theologian of the Pontifical Household, who invited the synod fathers to study the argument, when he spoke Tuesday during the session of free interventions.

Archbishop John Dew of Wellington, New Zealand, observed, "There are Catholics married to people baptized in other Christian faiths. We acknowledge them to be baptized in Christ in the sacrament of marriage, but not in the reception of the Eucharist."

Cardinal Julián Herranz, president of the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts, illustrated the canonical exceptions on the topic of intercommunion, reminding the synod fathers of what the assembly's working document indicates. Participants base their interventions on the working document.

In No. 45 of the encyclical "Ecclesia de Eucharistia," quoted in the synod's working document, Pope John Paul II mentioned these exceptions.

"While it is never legitimate to concelebrate in the absence of full communion, the same is not true with respect to the administration of the Eucharist, under special circumstances, to individual persons belonging to Churches or Ecclesial Communities not in full communion with the Catholic Church," the Polish Pontiff wrote.

"In this case, in fact, the intention is to meet a grave spiritual need for the eternal salvation of an individual believer, not to bring about an 'intercommunion' which remains impossible until the visible bonds of ecclesial communion are fully re-established," he affirmed.

Canon law

Paragraph 2 of Canon 844 of the Code of Canon Law explains that "[w]henever necessity requires it or true spiritual advantage suggests it, and provided that danger of error or of indifferentism is avoided, the Christian faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister are permitted to receive the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid."

Paragraph 3 of the canon states that Catholic ministers administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick licitly to members of Eastern Churches which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church if they seek such on their own accord and are properly disposed.

This is also valid for members of other Churches which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition in regard to the sacraments as these Eastern Churches.

Finally, Paragraph 4 of the same canon states that "[i]f the danger of death is present or if, in the judgment of the diocesan bishop or conference of bishops, some other grave necessity urges it, Catholic ministers administer these same sacraments licitly also to other Christians not having full communion with the Catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who seek such on their own accord, provided that they manifest Catholic faith in respect to these sacraments and are properly disposed."

The synod's working document acknowledges that "the manner of presenting the mystery of the Eucharist in ecumenical dialogue still needs clarification, so as to avoid two opposite extremes: complete exclusion beforehand and a relativism."


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1 posted on 10/05/2005 6:09:25 PM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
"While it is never legitimate to concelebrate in the absence of full communion, the same is not true with respect to the administration of the Eucharist, under special circumstances, to individual persons belonging to Churches or Ecclesial Communities not in full communion with the Catholic Church," the Polish Pontiff wrote.

In the Maronite Catholic Church, adherents of the Greek or Russian Orthodox Church, are allowed to take communion with the congregation. It is my understanding, however, that the reverse is not true.

In our small Maronite Catholic parish, there is a GOC couple (he is a convert from the ECUSA and she is from Jordan), occasionally show up at liturgy. Abouna administers the Holy Eucharist to them and blesses their beautiful daughter, Gabriella, with the communion cup. There is a very large and active GOC congregation nearby but this couple chooses to attend our divine liuturgy because of its adherence to the Aramaic, Syriac and Arabic languages. Other ME parishioners have assured me that in Lebanon, there is much interchange of individuals baptized into Melkite, Maronite, Chaldean and GOC rites, attending services in the different churches. Perhaps we can learn from them.

2 posted on 10/05/2005 6:20:34 PM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
"While it is never legitimate to concelebrate in the absence of full communion, the same is not true with respect to the administration of the Eucharist, under special circumstances, to individual persons belonging to Churches or Ecclesial Communities not in full communion with the Catholic Church," the Polish Pontiff wrote.

In the Maronite Catholic Church, adherents of the Greek or Russian Orthodox Church, are allowed to take communion with the congregation. It is my understanding, however, that the reverse is not true.

In our small Maronite Catholic parish, there is a GOC couple (he is a convert from the ECUSA and she is from Jordan), occasionally show up at liturgy. Abouna administers the Holy Eucharist to them and blesses their beautiful daughter, Gabriella, with the communion cup. There is a very large and active GOC congregation nearby but this couple chooses to attend our divine liuturgy because of its adherence to the Aramaic, Syriac and Arabic languages. Other ME parishioners have assured me that in Lebanon, there is much interchange of individuals baptized into Melkite, Maronite, Chaldean and GOC rites, attending services in the different churches. Perhaps we can learn from them.

3 posted on 10/05/2005 6:21:38 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

"In our small Maronite Catholic parish, there is a GOC couple (he is a convert from the ECUSA and she is from Jordan), occasionally show up at liturgy. Abouna administers the Holy Eucharist to them and blesses their beautiful daughter, Gabriella, with the communion cup."

I suspect that its because she is from Jordan that the couple does this. It is distinctly possible that what we know is going on in Lebanon is going on in Jordan too. I should note however that the Greek orthodox Archdiocese has given positive instructions to the Faithful here not to do this. I note that the new Latin bishop here has removed all former referneces to this practice from the misselettes in this diocese. As I understand it, the directives from Rome require the local ordinary to confer with his Orthodox counterpart before allowing this.


4 posted on 10/05/2005 6:53:03 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: NYer

We took advantage of 844 (4) when we first began attending the Catholic church (with Monsignor's permission of course).


5 posted on 10/05/2005 6:53:52 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Kolokotronis
I suspect that its because she is from Jordan that the couple does this.

That is correct.

the Greek orthodox Archdiocese has given positive instructions to the Faithful here not to do this.

Kolokotronis, I will ask you to search your own heart in response to this question. Do you believe that the hosts Consecrated by catholic priests are invalid? Is that the rationale behind this admonition from the GOC?

The Catholics and Orthodox are only marginally separated. We both trace our ancestry back to Christ. I know from personal experience that the hosts consecrated in the Catholic Church are authentic. Why would a GOC Patriarch admonish a practicing member from celebrating liturgy in an authentic setting wih the Real Presence of our Lord? This, I do not understand, other than for political reasons.

6 posted on 10/05/2005 7:06:03 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

"I will ask you to search your own heart in response to this question. Do you believe that the hosts Consecrated by catholic priests are invalid?"

Absolutely not!

"Is that the rationale behind this admonition from the GOC?"

No. Though I must say that from an Orthodox pov, the Latin Rite faithful, and to an extent the clergy and hierarchy, have an appalling lack of respect for the Eucharist.

"Why would a GOC Patriarch admonish a practicing member from celebrating liturgy in an authentic setting wih the Real Presence of our Lord?"

Here's why:

"In this case, in fact, the intention is to meet a grave spiritual need for the eternal salvation of an individual believer, not to bring about an 'intercommunion' which remains impossible until the visible bonds of ecclesial communion are fully re-established," he (JP II) affirmed."


7 posted on 10/05/2005 7:11:38 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
"I will ask you to search your own heart in response to this question. Do you believe that the hosts Consecrated by catholic priests are invalid?"

Absolutely not!

Please elaborate.

Though I must say that from an Orthodox pov, the Latin Rite faithful, and to an extent the clergy and hierarchy, have an appalling lack of respect for the Eucharist.

Again, I would ask that you please elaborate.

Here's why:

"In this case, in fact, the intention is to meet a grave spiritual need for the eternal salvation of an individual believer, not to bring about an 'intercommunion' which remains impossible until the visible bonds of ecclesial communion are fully re-established," he (JP II) affirmed."

If the intention is to meet a grave spiritual need for the eternal salvation of an individual believer, then where is the problem? Consecration by a validly ordained priest, comes from Christ. In the Maronite Church, the priest intincts the consecrated host, and places it on the tongue of the recipient with the words: "The Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ is given to you for the remission of sin and eternal salvation". Where's the problem?

8 posted on 10/05/2005 7:26:01 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Kolokotronis; NYer
"...not to bring about an 'intercommunion' which remains impossible until the visible bonds of ecclesial communion are fully re-established," he (JP II) affirmed."

I think this is so (when situations aren't grave) because it's the respect rendered from one Bishop (of Rome in this case) to any other Bishop. Brothers can bicker with each other, but our loyalty to the Father is unquestionably firm. Though a birth rite wasn't' "stolen", perhaps the example of Jacob and Esau may bring us to a better understanding of why we hold respectful loyalty for our own respective clergy. Until the brothers are at a position of mutual respect, full understanding, and unconditional forgiveness, the 2 houses cannot be at complete peace with each other. Nor, then, can the congregations be in complete community.

The presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist is our Mystical Head of the Church.
9 posted on 10/05/2005 8:21:39 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: SaltyJoe

Many Orthodox deny the validity of Catholic sacraments: baptisms, eucharists, ordinations, etc.


10 posted on 10/05/2005 10:02:40 PM PDT by JohnRoss
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To: NYer

" Please elaborate."

What's to elaborate? I believe they are valid. Do you want me to give you a theological explanation of why your sacraments are valid?

"Though I must say that from an Orthodox pov, the Latin Rite faithful, and to an extent the clergy and hierarchy, have an appalling lack of respect for the Eucharist.

Again, I would ask that you please elaborate."

A lack of belief in the real presence among many, touching the chalice and the host, "eucharettes", the abrogation of fasting rules, handing out communion to people who are manifestly living in sin or otherwise not living in accord with the teachings of the Church....

"If the intention is to meet a grave spiritual need for the eternal salvation of an individual believer, then where is the problem? Consecration by a validly ordained priest, comes from Christ. In the Maronite Church, the priest intincts the consecrated host, and places it on the tongue of the recipient with the words: "The Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ is given to you for the remission of sin and eternal salvation". Where's the problem?"

The problem lies in the standard set in the first sentence of your question. The couple you wrote about are from a local GOA parish. Their priest is available to them, even if they have a grave spiritual need. Let me add, by the way, that of I found myself in grave spiritual need and no Orthodox priest were available, I'd find the nearest Roman priest in a heartbeat and with no qualms whatsoever.


11 posted on 10/06/2005 3:23:37 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: SaltyJoe

Agreed.


12 posted on 10/06/2005 3:24:26 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: JohnRoss; SaltyJoe

"Many Orthodox deny the validity of Catholic sacraments: baptisms, eucharists, ordinations, etc."

Other than some non-canonical ecclesial assemblies which self describe as Orthodox, I am unaware of any Orthodox Church which holds this position. About whom are you speaking?


13 posted on 10/06/2005 3:29:45 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
"Many Orthodox deny the validity of Catholic sacraments...

I'm not aware of this either. I've only seen the Orthodox and Catholic differences as a different flavors of salt (yep, salt tastes differently around the world depending on where it comes from).
14 posted on 10/06/2005 5:45:59 AM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: SaltyJoe

"I've only seen the Orthodox and Catholic differences as a different flavors of salt (yep, salt tastes differently around the world depending on where it comes from)."

Indeed this is true but beyond the "flavor", there are differences in discipline which have lead to some differences in our understanding of the Mysteries on a practical, if not theological, level.

By the way, your tagline is one of the truest statements I've ever seen. I remember many years ago when our youngest was born with Down Syndrome, a very dear friend from my childhood, a Roman priest, told my wife as we both were wallowing in despair and confusion, that a mother's love and prayers would conquer any hardship. He was so very right!


15 posted on 10/06/2005 6:49:09 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
One cannot possibly know the joys that await them in Heaven for their lifelong work caring for weaker souls. As a child, I was horrified when watching nature tv programs where large aggressive predators hunted and devoured young prey. It chaffed against the world in which my Catholic parents raised me.

What I hope to examine is how a survivor can, without falling to the vain traps of sinful guilt, be of use to the souls who've suffered from the violence the survivor inflicted. It's Dostoevsky's "Crime and Punishment" that influence this thought. If suffering and sorrow is the penance that can redeem a murderer, then there is Hope and healing for mothers who've aborted their children and soldiers who've killed in war.

Before Christ redeemed the world, the blood of innocents' cried for revenge. But the souls that fall prey to Satanic influence and oppression are souls that cry for Salvation from the place of the dead. The survivors can help to achieve such through works of mercy just as the Saints intercede for the mortal still living.

Thus is the Divine Mercy we should know, live, and love: that those we've hurt are the same we beg of God to heal. That hearts and souls wounded by our willing or negligent malice should receive that Grace God would have passed to us, let it pass through us to those in most need of Christ's Mercy.
16 posted on 10/06/2005 7:54:51 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: NYer
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17 posted on 10/06/2005 8:01:40 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Kolokotronis
"As a child, I was horrified when watching nature TV programs where large aggressive predators hunted and devoured young prey. It chaffed against the world in which my Catholic parents raised me."

Sorry I didn't continue on this thought very well...it's late, but it's no excuse.

Young souls that don't know Christ, and worst still, children's' souls that haven't been Baptized, are desperately helpless against the very real demonic forces of our spiritual world. As infantile my understanding of Scripture is, I read that the "serpent" is cursed to crawl on it's belly and eat dirt. Later in the same chapter, I read that Adam is from dirt and to dirt must we all return. Later, God warns Cain to not be crestfallen because a demon is crouching at the door and is inclined toward us...essential desiring to devour us. Satan devours souls.

My understanding of abortion is that its chief purpose is to feed souls to Hell. We know that demons possess young children because they aren't as strong as an adult's spiritual defenses. Unborn children must be much easier game for the damned spirits.

But, we also know that Jesus descended into the place of the dead to bring souls into Heaven. This opportunity is still there for Saintly intercessions and for the Divine Presence of the Holy Eucharist. Christ's suffering and death purchased Salvation for the entire world. Our duty in remembrance of His Divine Sacrifice continues this Divine Mercy to those souls suffering without Christ in Purgatory. This opportunity even exists for those souls who suffer there because of our sinful actions. We hurt them then, but we can help them now. And we should help them.

I can't help but feel an ecstatic joy.
18 posted on 10/06/2005 8:16:26 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: Kolokotronis; NYer

NYer asked: "Again, I would ask that you please elaborate."

To which Kolokotronis responded: "A lack of belief in the real presence among many, touching the chalice and the host, "eucharettes", the abrogation of fasting rules, handing out communion to people who are manifestly living in sin or otherwise not living in accord with the teachings of the Church...."

(I found your comments humorous, as I sit here eating pita and hummus in observance of the Friday fast.)

While I would consider your comment to be a fair appraisal of the status quo in many RCC parishes, that's not a fair assessment of the status quo in the eastern Catholic churches. Which makes me again wonder why certain Orthodox view the eastern Catholics with disdain (current company clearly excepted).

We worship in a very similar way to the Orthodox, we have the same creed MINUS the filioque, many of the same prayers, we celebrate the eucharist similarly, we use leavened bread, and we never, ever, ever, have "Eucharettes" in mini-skirts distributing the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So what gives? Is this strictly politics or is it the Pope as well?


19 posted on 10/07/2005 11:57:14 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: RKBA Democrat
"While I would consider your comment to be a fair appraisal of the status quo in many RCC parishes, that's not a fair assessment of the status quo in the eastern Catholic churches.

Touche, my friend, touche!

"Which makes me again wonder why certain Orthodox view the eastern Catholics with disdain (current company clearly excepted)."

I suspect it has "pluriform" origins. In part some Orthodox view Eastern Rite Christians in communion with Rome as some species of apostate. From an Orthodox view point, the Papacy has a, shall we say, unhappy history, both theologically and ecclesiologically and Eastern Rite Catholics have bound themselves to that Papacy in derogation of what Orthodoxy views as proper theology and eccelsiology, while retaining the outward forms of Orthodoxy. In some other instances, that communion with Rome has meant an almost complete abandonment of their ancient Faith and liturgical forms and the utter destruction of their phronema, even to the point of accepting the destruction of their books of Holy Tradition and devotions and the imposition of Western forms and the Latin language. Orthodoxy is horrified by this.

Some Orthodox view some Eastern Rite Catholics as a sort of Fifth Column of the Papacy and certainly in some areas, in pursuit of, or at least in conjunction with, the temporal political ends of monarchs and the Eastern Church, that's exactly what they, or at least their hierarchs, were.

Let me add, on a personal note, that while I share the foregoing sentiments at least to a point, I must say that the recent opportunity presented here on FR to read the comments of the Eastern Rite bishops at the Synod in Rome, has been a real eye opener for me. Some might argue that the comments are designed to lull Orthodoxy into a false sense of security about Eastern Rite Catholicism, indeed that comment has been made elsewhere, but in all honesty I think that's complete egomania, what we sometimes call in Greek "Egwhtron". Those comments clearly are not about us, and just as clearly, and loudly and forcefully about exactly what we Orthodox often see as deficiencies in Latin ecclesiology and praxis. What is quite clear, at least to me, is that it is not only the Orthodox Church which rejects Uniatism as a model for a reunion of the Churches, but also the Eastern Rite Catholics themselves!

Now let me make a little "prediction". Unless the Latin Church hears, understands, accepts and institutes what the Eastern Rite hierarchs are saying, there will be a reunion alright, the Eastern Rite Catholics with Orthodoxy.

20 posted on 10/08/2005 4:51:47 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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