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BTK Suspect's Arrest Upsets (his) Kansas Church
LasVegas Sun ^ | 27 Feb 05 | ROXANA HEGEMAN,

Posted on 02/27/2005 6:57:47 PM PST by xzins

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To: andysandmikesmom

Yep. You've got it interpreted right.

In fact your "good and bad, side by side, for a while at least..." is stone cold, bullseye perfect.

good job. :>)


41 posted on 02/27/2005 8:36:14 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of it!)
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To: wagglebee

You apparently have not seen the church pastor say if he is the killer, then it is betrayal of the highest order and he deserves what he gets.

This was a selective article on church reaction.

I have heard a lot of people on the local news from the church say to fry him if he is the real killer.


42 posted on 02/27/2005 8:40:26 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Satan's agents appear as "angels of light" also. This should not be a surprise.


43 posted on 02/27/2005 8:41:12 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: xzins

Thanks...often, its difficult for me to interpret what the Bible is saying...I often follow along on many of the religious threads, where I often see you posting...I dont join in, as everyone there, seems much more 'educated' in Biblical history, Biblical interpretation, and such...but I always read along, for the information, and do appreciate those religious threads very much...I am sure I am just one of many, who merely 'lurk'...and often we lurkers learn a great deal...


44 posted on 02/27/2005 8:41:54 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom

Glad to hear you're participating.

You nailed it here. No reason to think you wouldn't be just as good at other times, too.

And, of course, I regularly have some really dumb moments, too. It goes with the territory. :>)


45 posted on 02/27/2005 8:45:11 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of it!)
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To: xzins

"The article said he'd been active in his church for 30 some years, which would place his suspected murders smack in the middle of those active church years."

I was wondering about this also. Did he use the church as a cover for his crimes?


46 posted on 02/27/2005 9:31:52 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: amom

Associated Press


WICHITA, Kan. - The man arrested in connection with the BTK serial killings has confessed to at least six of those killings so far, The Associated Press has learned.

Investigators now suspect the BTK serial killer may have been responsible for as many 13 killings - including at least one killing after the death penalty was enacted in Kansas, a source with direct knowledge of the investigation told AP on condition of anonymity.

Dennis L. Rader is being held on a $10 million bond in connection with the deaths of 10 people between 1974 and 1991. Police had long linked the BTK serial killer to eight murders, but added two more after Rader's arrest.

Now police suspect the BTK killer in the deaths of two Wichita State University students as well as a woman who lived down the street from another known BTK victim.


47 posted on 02/27/2005 9:34:47 PM PST by dennisw (Seeing as how this is a .44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world .........)
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To: andysandmikesmom

I agree completely. See Post #8.


48 posted on 02/27/2005 10:20:10 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day ("Supporting the Troops" means you want them to WIN. It doesn't mean you just want them to return.)
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To: xzins
I was working in Wichita when the BTK letters started coming again. Many of the women at the plant would not leave the building unless someone walked them out.

This case is very odd. He killed a number of women in the 70's and 80's, and then stopped for almost 10 years. Serial killers usually can't stop.

I wonder if he didn't go outside the area for a while.
49 posted on 02/28/2005 4:23:54 AM PST by redgolum
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To: TonyRo76
Any "visible" church with a building and a formal roster, etc. would have to assume that in their midst will be liars and hypocrites who are unconverted at heart and do not belong to the "invisible" (i.e. True) Church.

Good points.

51 posted on 02/28/2005 4:39:41 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of it!)
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To: redgolum
I wonder if he didn't go outside the area for a while.

He could have left. Perhaps something made him decide to stop, but I can't imagine what that would have been. If 1991 was the last murder, then we're talking 14 years ago. Wonder how old his children had gotten by then?

And then, recently, something made him start contacting authorities again....some desire to get caught?...some desire to challenge modern forensics to see if he was still so smart?....something ego driven?....some urge to kill again and he was now rejecting of it?

It's fascinating in a way.

52 posted on 02/28/2005 4:44:44 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of it!)
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To: xzins
a Cub Scout leader

Yeah, that how the AP headline read the other day.

Cub Scout leader a serial killer, or some such thing.

53 posted on 02/28/2005 4:49:25 AM PST by csvset
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To: csvset

He's also a government worker...why pick out cub scouts?

How 'bout: "Government Census Employee BTK Serial Killer?"


54 posted on 02/28/2005 5:02:30 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of it!)
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To: xzins
The wheat and tares parable and the parable of the net on the seashore are especially appropriate in this situation. Lutherans teach simul justus et peccator that the Church consists of justified sinners, persons, who though clothed the in righteousness of Christ continue to struggle against sin until the end of their earthly day. Frequently they fail and fall in that struggle. It is a very honest assessment of the human condition and a good summation of Romans 7.
55 posted on 02/28/2005 6:00:05 AM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: lightman

The wheat and the tares seem to indicate that there are 2 categories: (1) justified sinners, and (2) some additional category of those who only seem to belong, but they never really have.

Am I interpreting your paragraph correctly?


56 posted on 02/28/2005 6:04:26 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of it!)
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To: xzins
Right. The justified sinners and the plain out and out sinners, coexisting (and sometimes smelling like a pile of rotten fish) until the day of Judgment.
57 posted on 02/28/2005 6:10:36 AM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: xzins
The boy looked up at his father and asked, "Daddy, he tricked us — didn't he?"

At least one member of that church knows the truth. Out of the mouths of babes.

58 posted on 02/28/2005 8:14:05 AM PST by siunevada
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To: maestro

Look. I left the ELCA because they've abandoned the word of God. Even though I am now a relieved member of the LCMS, I consider this to be unfair. This could just as well have been a LCMS or Catholic, or any other denomination.


59 posted on 02/28/2005 8:18:29 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Charles Henrickson

Thank you. This discussion is inappropriate. The ELCA deserves lots of criticism but not because of this.


60 posted on 02/28/2005 8:21:32 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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