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Is There Any Hope For America?
NewsMax.com ^ | Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2003 | Jerry Falwell

Posted on 09/09/2003 8:20:31 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS

In 1952, while I was a young pastoral student at Baptist Bible College in Springfield, Mo., Dr. G.B. Vick asked the students, "What do you hope to accomplish with your life?"

The question has preoccupied my thoughts for more than five decades.

About 40 years ago, God spoke to my heart about saving America. At that time, our U.S. Supreme Court - in 1962 and 1963 - had thrown prayer and Bible reading out of our public schools. Ten years later (1973), Roe vs. Wade declared open game on our unborn. Today, we have nearly 45 million dead unborn babies as a result of this decision.

And now, America - a nation under God for 200 years - is about to completely abandon the God of our founding. In recent days, our federal courts have legalized sodomy and declared illegal the Ten Commandments.

In the past year, the Boy Scouts have been bitterly disparaged because they uphold time-honored moral traditions, we have seen our Pledge of Allegiance declared unconstitutional, and we have witnessed a major denomination promote a homosexual priest to bishop. (This man, in fact, should have been defrocked when he abandoned his wife and daughters, choosing to shack up with his male lover.)

Patrick Buchanan noted: "In the West, the God of Christianity has been superseded by the gods of modernity: money, sex, fame, power. These gods give a good life, but they cannot sustain life. As Christianity is a dying faith in every Western nation, every Western nation is dying."

Here are four things that I believe have caused our nation's moral collapse:

1. Situational Ethics

American has rejected the biblical absolutes that defined our culture during our founding and for most of our distinguished history. Instead, we live in the ambivalent world of situational ethics, moral indistinctness and ethical corruption.

2. Cultural Seduction

During the recent MTV Video Music Awards, rock icon Madonna kissed on the mouth young singers Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera. We are witnessing the willful blurring of sexual roles before our eyes. And the target audience is our children.

Kids are being seduced by what they read in school, watch on TV, see at the movies and discover on the Internet. The message is not a new one - whatever feels good is fine.

Sadly, many of our nation's pastors and church leaders are not teaching parents and children of the wrongness of those lifestyles that counter the biblical mandate for man-woman marriage relationships. The bottom line is that all sex outside marriage between a man and woman is forbidden by God.

It's not a culturally popular doctrine, but it is God's doctrine.

3. Cultural Accommodation

The Scriptures are being distorted and changed in order to accommodate issues like abortion and homosexuality.

Psalm 139:13-16 tells us: "For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them."

There is simply no way to support abortion without contradicting these verses.

Romans 1:26-27 tells us, "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet."

There is simply no way to say homosexuality is acceptable without contradicting these verses.

4. Inclusive Salvation

Politically correct theologians believe all religions are equal to God. They teach that Jesus is not the only way to Heaven. But John 14:6 tells us, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Last week, I told our 6,647 students now enrolled at Liberty University that I am counting on them and the 69,500-plus Liberty alumni to impact this world for Christ beyond their wildest dreams.

Has America crossed the line of no return?

Some believe so. But I continue to claim II Chronicles 7:14: "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

Let us pray and work together to see an unparalleled revival in this great nation. This is the only hope for America.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: culturewars; hedonism; jerryfalwell; moralcollapse; revival

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

Nations most often fall from within, and this fall is usually due to a decline in the moral and spiritual values in the family. As families go, so goes a nation.

Notice that this progression is not unique to the Hellenistic world the Apostle Paul was living in. The progression from idolatry to sexual perversion to anarchy to judgment is found throughout history.

In the times of Noah and Lot, there was the idolatry of greed, there was sexual perversion and promiscuity, there was anarchy and violence, and finally there was judgment. Throughout the history of the nation of Israel there was idolatry, sexual perversion, anarchy (in which each person did what was right in his own eyes), and finally judgment.

This progression happened throughout the Bible and to Greece, to Persia, to Babylon, and to Rome. And if it happened to these nations, then it can happen today.Unless we return to God's principles, decline and destruction are inevitable. The Decline of a Nation

[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion....Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime & pure, [and] which denounces against the wicked eternal misery, and [which] insured to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments. (Source: Bernard C. Steiner, The Life and Correspondence of James McHenry (Cleveland: The Burrows Brothers, 1907), p. 475. In a letter from Charles Carroll to James McHenry of November 4, 1800.)

[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters. Source: Benjamin Franklin, The Writings of Benjamin Franklin, Jared Sparks, editor (Boston: Tappan, Whittemore and Mason, 1840), Vol. X, p. 297, April 17, 1787.

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of man and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?

And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric? (Source: George Washington, Address of George Washington, President of the United States . . . Preparatory to His Declination (Baltimore: George and Henry S. Keatinge), pp. 22-23. In his Farewell Address to the United States in 1796.)

Nietzsche's point has even more force in our own society, wherein, with few exceptions, men and women live their lives as if there were no God and yet still carry on a profession of being religious. In Nietzsche's dramatic picture, there is something tragically absurd about the man who is shocked by someone else's atheism when it is impossible to discover any genuine religious faith in him. For the average American today, as for the average individual in Nietzsche's Germany, it simply makes no practical difference whether God exists or not. This is true in spite of those polls that show that 98 percent of Americans believe in God. Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, and the Death of God

Q. Sir, on May 6th, on the floor of the house you asked the question: "Are the American people determined they still wish to have a Constitutional Republic." How would you answer that question, Sir?

A. A growing number of Americans want it, but a minority, and that is why we are losing this fight in Washington at the moment. That isn't as discouraging as it sounds, because if you had asked me that in 1976 when I first came to Washington, I would have said there were a lot fewer who wanted it then. We have drifted along and, although we have still enjoyed a lot of prosperity in the last twenty-five years, we have further undermined the principles of the Constitution and private property market economy. Therefore, I think we have to continue to do what we are doing to get a larger number. But if we took a vote in this country and told them what it meant to live in a Constitutional Republic and what it would mean if you had a Congress dedicated to the Constitution they would probably reject it. It reminds me of a statement by Walter Williams when he said that if you had two candidates for office, one running on the programs of Stalin and the other running on the programs of Jefferson the American people would probably vote for the candidate who represented the programs of Stalin. If you didn't put the name on it and just looked at the programs, they would say, Oh yeah, we believe in national health care and we believe in free education for everybody and we believe we should have gun control. Therefore, the majority of the people would probably reject Thomas Jefferson. So that describes the difficulty, but then again, we have to look at some of the positive things which means that we just need more people dedicated to the rule of law. Otherwise, there will be nothing left here within a short time. Are the American people determined they still wish to have a Constitutional Republic

Why the interest in Gramsci? Certainly, he is not a household name for most people, but nonetheless he is relevant enough to be mentioned in the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal. In a recent piece (12/19/00) by George Melloan, the columnist refers to an article published by John Fonte in the Policy Review of the Hudson Institute.

According to the WSJ writer, "[Fonte] defines the ideological split in America as a contest between present-day Tocquevillians [refers to Alexis de Tocqueville, 1805-59, French historian, writer, and politician] and disciples of the 20th-century Italian philosopher Antonio Gramsci, who drew on the ideas of Friedrich Hegel and Karl Marx. The Tocquevillians incline toward individualism, religious belief and patriotism. The Gramscians see any society, including America, as an arena where the "marginalized" are necessarily at war with the privileged classes. Good old-fashioned class warfare, in other words." BEHAVIOR - GRAMSCI AND THE U. S. BODY POLITIC, Alberto Luzarraga

More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.

Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.

What is more, the events of the Russian Revolution can only be understood now, at the end of the century, against the background of what has since occurred in the rest of the world. What emerges here is a process of universal significance. And if I were called upon to identify briefly the principal trait of the entire twentieth century, here too, I would be unable to find anything more precise and pithy than to repeat once again: Men have forgotten God. "Men Have Forgotten God" – The Templeon Address

That's why Rabbi Lapin's fearless statement makes sense: "Those of us who venerate freedom, be we Jewish or Christian, be we religious or secularized, have no option but to pray for the health of Christianity in America. No other group possesses both the faith and the numbers sufficient to hold back the ever-encroaching, sometimes sinister, power of the state." WORLD Sept. 2, 2000: Remarkable Providences: Fear of the Lord

 

1 posted on 09/09/2003 8:20:31 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Constitution for Iraq



"As you may have heard, the U.S. is putting together a constitution for
Iraq. Why don't we just give them ours? Think about it -- it was written by
very smart people, it's served us well for over two hundred years, and
besides, we're not using it anymore."

- Tonight Show host Jay Leno
2 posted on 09/09/2003 8:21:40 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
No.

The Republic has already ended.

3 posted on 09/09/2003 8:22:29 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: lodwick
Did Leno really say that? Wow.
4 posted on 09/09/2003 8:24:51 AM PDT by MalcolmS
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
If Jerry and Pat want to save America, I mean really save the masses, they need to stand up like old time preachers and be unapologetic about their opinions. They need to say, "You kill a baby, you going to hell;" or "pornography whips it way through society like a cobweb wrecking lives and condemning the weak, for this you will go to hell," Or if you are a politician, you can not be Christian and a liberal, if you are a liberal and claim to be a Christian, you will go to hell," Now until these panty waist stand up with brimstone in one hand, and lightning bolts in the other, I am not listening.... I want a Christian Leader, Not A Christian Friend
5 posted on 09/09/2003 8:28:10 AM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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To: Porterville
-Their foot shall slide in due time- Deut. 32:35 Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God by Jonathan Edwards
6 posted on 09/09/2003 8:30:48 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Is it worth pointing out that this is not an occurrance in an isolated America, but is prevalent throughout pretty much all of Western civilization? (Caveat lector: I do not know about the Hispanic element...)
7 posted on 09/09/2003 8:31:13 AM PDT by Eala (None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. - Milton)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
"O ye of little faith..."
8 posted on 09/09/2003 8:33:57 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Only half would vote for Constitution
9 posted on 09/09/2003 8:39:10 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Very nice; now why do I never hear preachers say such things anymore??? Why do they shrug off their responsibilities??? Why do they care so much about what is thought of them??? I believe it is called vanity.
10 posted on 09/09/2003 8:40:21 AM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
SPOTREP
11 posted on 09/09/2003 8:40:22 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Bump
12 posted on 09/09/2003 8:41:46 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
****snore****

Doom.

13 posted on 09/09/2003 8:42:51 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (RINOs for Schwarzenegger - Sowell, Coulter, Medved, Drier, Cox, Jarvis Foundation, Rohrbacher......)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
I would think that the One God, all-knowing and all-powerful, would know what was going on in America and could stop it if He wanted.
14 posted on 09/09/2003 8:44:44 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Eala
The rest of the table demonstrates that secular voters and most religious minorities fell squarely in the Democratic camp. Secular voters favored Gore over Bush by an almost two-to-one margin. Hispanics also voted predominantly Democratic, although Protestants were somewhat more supportive of the GOP than were Catholics. Jews also remained in their traditional party location and black Protestants were almost unanimously Democratic. Other minority traditions (Buddhists, Hindus) also favored the Democrats, although some outside evidence suggests that Muslim voters were predominantly for Bush, following his endorsement by leading Islamic organizations.

If electoral choices strongly reflect the new religious order, it is still important to consider those not incorporated in that order. Indeed, nonvoters constituted almost half the potential electorate. The final column in the table reports the percentage of each group that did not vote in 2000, a crude but effective measure of disengagement. The results are intriguing. Among the "Republican-leaning" constituencies, traditionalists would seem to be most firmly attached to the new religious order, with smaller proportions not participating: Latter-day Saints (29 percent), traditionalist evangelicals (37 percent), traditionalist Catholics (41 percent), and traditionalist mainliners (43 percent). On the Democratic side, Jews are not only firmly partisan but also fully engaged, with only 18 percent not voting. Mainline Protestant modernists almost match their traditionalist brothers and sisters at 46 percent, but evangelical and Catholic modernists abstain more often (63 and 55 percent, respectively), and secular citizens show a fairly high rate of nonvoting (52 percent). Black Protestant turnout increased in 2000, certainly bolstering the virtually unanimous choice for the Democrats in that group. Only Hispanic Christians have little attachment to the new religious order, with 70 percent not voting. FT October 2001: America Fifty/Fifty

15 posted on 09/09/2003 8:44:44 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: stuartcr

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

16 posted on 09/09/2003 8:46:11 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Thank You. Interesting post. A lot to consider. Too much to lament.
17 posted on 09/09/2003 8:48:38 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
He created all, therefore all the peoples of the world are His.
18 posted on 09/09/2003 8:50:49 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
That was a great passage, I'm still thinking about it and linked it to my homepage.
19 posted on 09/09/2003 8:57:22 AM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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To: Porterville
I didn't realize you were God's surrogate on Earth, and that you get to decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. My mistake, I thought Christianity taught that ALL who accepted Christ into their hearts and as their savior were to be saved. Thank god I'm not a liberal politician...
20 posted on 09/09/2003 9:03:45 AM PDT by D. Brian Carter
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To: D. Brian Carter
I'm just saying what I want from a Christian leader D. By the way, I am not the one who decides who goes to hell, God does, so, you look at a lot of porn?? Realize you are in essence preying on the young and desperate, realize that your tacit support destroys lives, not very Christian. If you support abortion, realize that this to is a sin, and your tacit support destroys not only a baby but also the woman the man and the relationship bond or the spirit. And also realize that liberal Christians are not Christians at all, can't be, life doesn't work like that, you can not be both wet and dry at the same time, black and white, hot and cold, if you are a liberal you are in danger of hell eternal.
21 posted on 09/09/2003 9:12:12 AM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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To: Porterville
Liberals go to hell because it's impossible for them to be Christians??
22 posted on 09/09/2003 9:15:51 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: D. Brian Carter
I didn't realize you were God's surrogate on Earth, and that you get to decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell.

The things you learn on Free Republic...

23 posted on 09/09/2003 9:17:19 AM PDT by Poohbah (Hee Haw was supposed to be a television show...not the basis of a political movement...)
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To: stuartcr
No, if your liberal, you can't be Christian, if your Christian you can't be liberal...
24 posted on 09/09/2003 9:18:04 AM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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To: Porterville
Where in my post did you derive the implication that I look at porn or support abortion?

Whatever the case may be, we are all sinners, and the way I understand Christianity is that redemption is available for EVERYONE who seeks it out, regardless of political persuasion, or any number of other character flaws, defects, or shortcomings.

By the way, I know some people who consider themselves both to be liberal and to be Christians, and they are some of the nicest, most righteous and God-fearing people I've ever met, despite the fact that their political viewpoint doesn't quite agree with mine.

Now I've got to get back to surfing for porn and sending my monthly donation to Planned Parenthood.
25 posted on 09/09/2003 9:20:05 AM PDT by D. Brian Carter
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To: D. Brian Carter
Whatever the case may be, we are all sinners

There are some so-called Christians who will disagree with you on that. THEY certainly aren't sinners...

26 posted on 09/09/2003 9:22:50 AM PDT by Poohbah (Hee Haw was supposed to be a television show...not the basis of a political movement...)
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To: Porterville
No, if your liberal, you can't be Christian, if your Christian you can't be liberal...

Well, that's settled then.

27 posted on 09/09/2003 9:25:52 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: Porterville
But non-Christians can go to heaven?
28 posted on 09/09/2003 9:34:28 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: D. Brian Carter
Okay here is the point I'm trying to get at, but it is a little rough, so bear with me:

If a person leads another person down a path that runs counter to the positive construction of their spirit, that is wrong. Now, imagine a system that actually finances the study of homosexuality for elementary school children; tells young adults that sexuality should be explored. Imagine a system that finances abortion for children, barring parental knowledge. Imagine a system that gives abortion to young adults without any counseling. Imagine a system where contraceptives are financed for children. Okay this just has to do with the sex, what I saw when I was brought up in the public school system.

Imagine a society that lionizes popular Icons, (take your pick) telling people their entire lives to aspire to the great talents of musicians who cannot play or actors who cannot act. A system that encourages individuals to lust for power over substance in life or society that encourages the enslavement of possession over the freedom of poverty. In other words, imagine an institution that pushes vanity over decency.

Let’s go a little further; many of our societal leaders politicians, teachers, sociologist, encourage the derivative lifestyle of doing what “you’re heart tells you” over doing what is necessary. The liberals are pushing destructive ideologies that run counter to the humility of Christianity... they only push pride and vanity, not responsibility.

29 posted on 09/09/2003 9:46:50 AM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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To: stuartcr
I don't know, but I know a liberal cannot be a Christian, it is like calling a dog a cat.
30 posted on 09/09/2003 9:47:58 AM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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To: Porterville
I don't think I disagree with anything you've said in this post. That doesn't mean that I have the wisdom, knowledge, or power to condemn ANYONE to hell. I am but a lowly man.

Have a nice day.
31 posted on 09/09/2003 9:51:53 AM PDT by D. Brian Carter
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS; OrthodoxPresbyterian; RnMomof7
Falwell's article is fine. But I found the comments following in #1 even more interesting.
32 posted on 09/09/2003 9:55:17 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
If Mr. Falwell is serious about turning this country around he needs to gather all his Christian pastor friends and anounce to them he's revoking his IRS granted 501C-3 status and all the tax benefits that comes with it. He should demand they do the same so that they all can once again begin to speak the real truth without worrying about the IRS threatening them. If this were to start to happen across the country and more Chritians grow a backbone we could turn this whole mess around in no time.
33 posted on 09/09/2003 9:59:50 AM PDT by american spirit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
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To: american spirit

Jones Introduces New Bill To Restore Freedom Of Speech To America's Pulpits

"I said I would continue this fight in the 108th Congress, and I meant it. I am committed to restoring the First Amendment rights to our nation's religious leaders."

Washington, DC – Third district Congressman Walter B. Jones has introduced HR 235, The Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act. This new bill seeks to return the freedom of speech to our nation's houses of worship. The legislation would repeal the authority if the Internal Revenue Service to revoke the tax status of a church, temple, or mosque whose clergy speak out on issues that the IRS deems to be too political.

Congressman Jones, who introduced similar legislation in the 107th Congress, vowed to make this legislation one of his top priorities in the 108th. The Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act differs from legislation in the last Congress, in that it focuses more narrowly on issues of free speech, and is thus expected to gather even wider support in the new Congress.

"Since the close of last year's Congress, I have heard from thousands of people, many of them pastors, encouraging me not to give up the battle to see this legislation passed. I said I would continue this fight in the 108th Congress, and I meant it," Congressman Jones said today. "I am committed to restoring First Amendment rights to our nation's religious leaders. As many pastors have told me in the last year, it is their God-given duty to speak to their congregations as they feel led. It should not be up to the IRS to tell them what they can and cannot say! This government was not formed to limit the speech of the church."

"The language in this bill is a bit different than the language of the last. The Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act deals with the freedom of speech and nothing else," Congressman Jones explained following the introduction of the bill. "I wanted to address some of the concerns from last year's debate. This issue is focused on the free speech of America's pastors, priests and rabbis. It isn't about campaign fundraising, it never was. This new language fully expresses that."

The Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act would allow religious leaders to speak from their pulpits however they see fit without fear of losing their tax-exempt status. The bill was introduced with thirteen original cosponsors, including Rep. Robin Hayes of North Carolina's 8th district; the Majority Whip, Roy Blunt; and the Majority Leader, Tom DeLay. Jones Introduces New Bill To Restore Freedom Of Speech To America's Pulpits

34 posted on 09/09/2003 10:11:04 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Oh how I love Jonathan Edwards and his sermons. I think they'd go over real well now.
35 posted on 09/09/2003 10:23:33 AM PDT by Maigrey (Keepin' Tags and lots o' Hugs for Sara Grace and Logan)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Good quotes.
36 posted on 09/09/2003 10:35:32 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: Porterville
OK, thanx
37 posted on 09/09/2003 10:55:08 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: american spirit
Give up their tax-free status??!! Guess what will freeze over before that happens?
38 posted on 09/09/2003 10:59:55 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: D. Brian Carter
Not to worry; the Bible has many scriptures setting out the difference between true, humble Christians and pharisees. The Christians are the ones making sure the toothpicks are out of their own eyes; the other guys are the ones walking around pretending they don't have logs in their eyes while pointing out everyone else's flaws.
39 posted on 09/09/2003 11:46:51 AM PDT by Maria S (“I know a little bit about how White Houses work.” Hillary Clinton, 8/26/03)
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To: Maria S
The bible also has many passages about Sodom and Gomorrah , and the folks that just turn a blind eye....

Luke 12:56,57 "(Ye) hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time? Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?"

Them logs weigh heavy in thy sockets, must drag thy head low and keepth one looking at the dirt.

40 posted on 09/09/2003 11:52:35 AM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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To: Porterville; Maria S
I'm not (and though I won't speak for Maria, I don't think she is either) saying anything about turning a blind eye, or not recognizing wrong-doing, or even not calling someone to task for a shortcoming they may have. But, I've tried to be nice about this, and say in a roundabout way that YOU ARE NOT GOD AND YOU WILL NOT DECIDE WHO GOES TO HELL. Period.
41 posted on 09/09/2003 12:07:02 PM PDT by D. Brian Carter
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To: D. Brian Carter
I haven't said who will go, I'm saying what I want my religious leaders to say in public what will land people in hell.... it seems like there is a void in the religious leadership because all they want is to get along; and of course, liberal philosophy is evil..
42 posted on 09/09/2003 12:13:00 PM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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To: Porterville
And of course, sinners can always repent their sins, which I need to do myself.
43 posted on 09/09/2003 12:18:02 PM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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To: stuartcr
I'm in constant prayer that we will live to see such a day.....well OK maybe not in our lifetime.
44 posted on 09/09/2003 12:38:58 PM PDT by american spirit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
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To: american spirit
Keep praying, just don't hold your breath...churches have been doing this sort of thing since the beginning.
45 posted on 09/09/2003 4:36:42 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
This is a great read, and a true one. I agree with every point.
46 posted on 09/09/2003 4:57:54 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: Porterville
What your leaders believe and what others believe will land people in hell, are sometimes very different....who is correct? For all we know, there may not even be a hell.
47 posted on 09/10/2003 5:35:59 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
Okay, purgatory, or non existence, whatever you want to call hell, Dante's hell is what we generally picture of hell in our minds, but many religious researchers think hell may just be a place of nothingness....
48 posted on 09/10/2003 7:42:36 AM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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