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Officials confirm dropping firebombs on Iraqi troops - Results 'remarkably similar' to using napalm
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | August 5, 2003 | James W. Crawley

Posted on 08/05/2003 11:19:18 AM PDT by HAL9000

American jets killed Iraqi troops with firebombs – similar to the controversial napalm used in the Vietnam War – in March and April as Marines battled toward Baghdad.

Marine Corps fighter pilots and commanders who have returned from the war zone have confirmed dropping dozens of incendiary bombs near bridges over the Saddam Canal and the Tigris River. The explosions created massive fireballs.

"We napalmed both those (bridge) approaches," said Col. James Alles in a recent interview. He commanded Marine Air Group 11, based at Miramar Marine Corps Air Station, during the war. "Unfortunately, there were people there because you could see them in the (cockpit) video.

"They were Iraqi soldiers there. It's no great way to die," he added. How many Iraqis died, the military couldn't say. No accurate count has been made of Iraqi war casualties.

The bombing campaign helped clear the path for the Marines' race to Baghdad.

During the war, Pentagon spokesmen disputed reports that napalm was being used, saying the Pentagon's stockpile had been destroyed two years ago.

Apparently the spokesmen were drawing a distinction between the terms "firebomb" and "napalm." If reporters had asked about firebombs, officials said yesterday they would have confirmed their use.

What the Marines dropped, the spokesmen said yesterday, were "Mark 77 firebombs." They acknowledged those are incendiary devices with a function "remarkably similar" to napalm weapons.

Rather than using gasoline and benzene as the fuel, the firebombs use kerosene-based jet fuel, which has a smaller concentration of benzene.

Hundreds of partially loaded Mark 77 firebombs were stored on pre-positioned ammunition ships overseas, Marine Corps officials said. Those ships were unloaded in Kuwait during the weeks preceding the war.

"You can call it something other than napalm, but it's napalm," said John Pike, defense analyst with GlobalSecurity.com, a nonpartisan research group in Alexandria, Va.

Although many human rights groups consider incendiary bombs to be inhumane, international law does not prohibit their use against military forces. The United States has not agreed to a ban against possible civilian targets.

"Incendiaries create burns that are difficult to treat," said Robert Musil, executive director of Physicians for Social Responsibility, a Washington group that opposes the use of weapons of mass destruction.

Musil described the Pentagon's distinction between napalm and Mark 77 firebombs as "pretty outrageous."

"That's clearly Orwellian," he added.

Developed during World War II and dropped on troops and Japanese cities, incendiary bombs have been used by American forces in nearly every conflict since. Their use became controversial during the Vietnam War when U.S. and South Vietnamese aircraft dropped millions of pounds of napalm. Its effects were shown in a Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph of Vietnamese children running from their burned village.

Before March, the last time U.S. forces had used napalm in combat was the Persian Gulf War, again by Marines.

During a recent interview about the bombing campaign in Iraq, Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Jim Amos confirmed aircraft dropped what he and other Marines continue to call napalm on Iraqi troops on several occasions. He commanded Marine jet and helicopter units involved in the Iraq war and leads the Miramar-based 3rd Marine Air Wing.

Miramar pilots familiar with the bombing missions pointed to at least two locations where firebombs were dropped.

Before the Marines crossed the Saddam Canal in central Iraq, jets dropped several firebombs on enemy positions near a bridge that would become the Marines' main crossing point on the road toward Numaniyah, a key town 40 miles from Baghdad.

Next, the bombs were used against Iraqis near a key Tigris River bridge, north of Numaniyah, in early April.

There were reports of another attack on the first day of the war.

Two embedded journalists reported what they described as napalm being dropped on an Iraqi observation post at Safwan Hill overlooking the Kuwait border.

Reporters for CNN and the Sydney (Australia) Morning Herald were told by unnamed Marine officers that aircraft dropped napalm on the Iraqi position, which was adjacent to one of the Marines' main invasion routes.

Their reports were disputed by several Pentagon spokesmen who said no such bombs were used nor did the United States have any napalm weapons.

The Pentagon destroyed its stockpile of napalm canisters, which had been stored near Camp Pendleton at the Fallbrook Naval Weapons Station, in April 2001.

Yesterday military spokesmen described what they see as the distinction between the two types of incendiary bombs. They said mixture used in modern firebombs is a less harmful mixture than Vietnam War-era napalm.

"This additive has significantly less of an impact on the environment," wrote Marine spokesman Col. Michael Daily, in an e-mailed information sheet provided by the Pentagon.

He added, "many folks (out of habit) refer to the Mark 77 as 'napalm' because its effect upon the target is remarkably similar."

In the e-mail, Daily also acknowledged that firebombs were dropped near Safwan Hill.

Alles, who oversaw the Safwan bombing raid, said 18 one-ton satellite-guided bombs, but no incendiary bombs, were dropped on the site.

Military experts say incendiary bombs can be an effective weapon in certain situations.

Firebombs are useful against dug-in troops and light vehicles, said GlobalSecurity's Pike.

"I used it routinely in Vietnam," said retired Marine Lt. Gen. Bernard Trainor, now a prominent defense analyst. "I have no moral compunction against using it. It's just another weapon."

And, the distinctive fireball and smell have a psychological impact on troops, experts said.

"The generals love napalm," said Alles, who has transferred to Washington. "It has a big psychological effect."



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aftermathanalysis; crispycritters; deadiraqisoldiers; firebombs; iraq; mark77; napalm
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To: FairOpinion
We threw down thousands of flyers, telling the Iraqis to surrender or die, well, those that didn't surrender, died.

Please continue to remind us... lest some of the media forget :-) That includes John Pike.

41 posted on 08/05/2003 11:41:55 AM PDT by Gracey (what's a tag line?)
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To: HAL9000
yeah? and i'm supposed to feel...what? ashamed? ha! I'd rather see our military use whatever weapons are effective than to risk unnecessary deaths on our side. I don't think the terrorists had too much compunction about using civilian airplanes to kill thousands of people. Poo poo, more liberal chest-beating on how bad the US is and how ethical every other country is. baaah
42 posted on 08/05/2003 11:43:12 AM PDT by MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
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To: G L Tirebiter
Or, white phosporous...now there was a scary mortar round.
43 posted on 08/05/2003 11:43:12 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: HAL9000
In numerous after action reports from Vietnam, incendiary rounds, especially white phosphorous, were much more effective in reducing enemy activity than high explosive. American tankers in Normandy used WP very effectively against German soldiers.
44 posted on 08/05/2003 11:43:30 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Sir, all of our Viking Kitties, living and dead are off the battlefield." Admin Mod: "Well done!")
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To: AngryJawa
now you've got ME rolling! hahahah...i love the witty FReepers here.
45 posted on 08/05/2003 11:46:06 AM PDT by MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
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To: HAL9000
Yeah, and the Islamist hijack three plane load of US civilians, slit the throats of the stewardess, crash it into two office buildings creating a napalm like firestorm. The people in the upper floors were cooked to death. Walking on the floors was like walking on a barbacue grill. Shoes and nylon stocking melted onto peoples feet and they still had hours to go before they would die. They were in such agony that many choose to leap to their deaths than endure the heat. Where are the Human Rights bastards then??? As far as I am concern, cluster bomb em and napalm them!!! The only regret is they still die too fast.
46 posted on 08/05/2003 11:47:02 AM PDT by Fee
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To: HAL9000
"Incendiaries create burns that are difficult to treat,"

That's good because we want to kill the enemy in war.

47 posted on 08/05/2003 11:48:25 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: HAL9000
Napalm which is anti personnel oriented has sticky stuff so it is a lot nastier than an incendary which is used to ignite things like buildings and burn through engine blocks. Used to be that incendaries were magnesium and aluminum based.
48 posted on 08/05/2003 11:49:13 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (MrConfettiMan was in the streets while I was still yelling at the TV)
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To: HAL9000
Glad to hear it. I was wondering by what miracle of military force we captured so many bridges intact. Napalm killed the defenders, leaving the bridges unharmed.

This undoubtedly shortened the length of the conflict, and probably reduced overall casualties as the rivers did not stand as natural barriers to advance.

Dead is dead, whether by bullet, frag, or napalm. Our side executed a brilliant, fast, highly accurate, minimal casualty operation. It is likely that fewer people died in the conflict than Saddam would have murdered by now.

In addition, I would like to add the obligatory:

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"
49 posted on 08/05/2003 11:49:49 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Leave Pat, Leave!")
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To: Fee
Allow me to express my regrets...that we were not allowed to use tacnukes instead. I saw Saddam's daughters on TV, and even though "Daddy" had killed their husbands painfully they were whining about how evil it was that Daddy was betrayed. Any culture that has this veiw of "honor" trumping the lives of one's spouse...well, the gloves are off. Bomb the warriors back to the stone age. If the civilians continue fighting, salt the fields.
50 posted on 08/05/2003 11:51:06 AM PDT by 50sDad ("Can't sleep...clowns will eat me!")
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To: Cobra64
"Daisy Cutters work pretty well too."

Now, now...thermobaric devices are frowned upon as well. We wouldn't want all that nasty overpressure squashing all of those innocent-till-proven-guilty Al Quaeda types into cave salsa would we?

51 posted on 08/05/2003 11:53:30 AM PDT by AngryJawa
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To: HAL9000
Yeah? So what?!
52 posted on 08/05/2003 12:00:04 PM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: Ecliptic
My sentiments EXACTLY!!!
53 posted on 08/05/2003 12:03:35 PM PDT by ImpotentRage
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To: HAL9000
Scene from my favorite movie:

The deputies come out of hiding to view the body of Bad Bob, the gunslinger, who has a .50 caliber hole through the back.

"But he never had a chance..." say the deputies...

"No", says Judge Roy Bean, "he never did."

Musil described the Pentagon's distinction between napalm and Mark 77 firebombs as "pretty outrageous."
"That's clearly Orwellian," he added.

No, its not Orwellian. Eskimos have dozens of words to describe snow, because that is the coin of their realm. Soldiers acknowledge subtle distinctions in weaponry because this their specialty, and for those who do, rather than simply watch, the distinctions matter.

A true artist knows the difference between fuschia and purple. You don't use fuschia when you meant to use purple, and you don't use purple when only fuschia will do. It may seem like a subtlety without importance to the masses but that is why they get to show their work at the mall on the weekends and we have to pay $75 to take it home....

Or something like that.

54 posted on 08/05/2003 12:04:18 PM PDT by marron
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To: HAL9000
I hope the dems seize on this issue. I would love to see Howard Dean taking Bush to task for this in the debates...
55 posted on 08/05/2003 12:04:25 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: HAL9000
"Physicians for Social Responsibility"

I suppose we should have given 'em all a half mil and held a barbeque for 'em. Just so all those murderous bastards know we're a friendly sort.

56 posted on 08/05/2003 12:05:49 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: HAL9000
OK, listen close. Here's the drill.

Invade their countries.

Done.

Kill their leaders

Doing it.

Convert them to Christianity

That's next.

If napalm can help, I'm all for it.

57 posted on 08/05/2003 12:06:40 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: HAL9000
""This additive has significantly less of an impact on the environment," wrote Marine spokesman Col. Michael Daily..."

For some reason, this statement brought a chuckle on...

58 posted on 08/05/2003 12:08:01 PM PDT by cibco (Xin Loi... Saddam)
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To: HAL9000
"You can call it something other than napalm, but it's napalm," said John Pike, defense analyst with GlobalSecurity.com, a nonpartisan research group in Alexandria, Va.

Non-partisan my eye! The very first paragraph on their web site reads:

"We at GlobalSecurity.com support democracy, the United Nations, governments that respect the human rights of all people, and the rule of international law. We oppose monarchies, dictatorships, governments who ignore UN resolutions, and governments who invade sovereign countries in the absence of UN sanction."

The title of an article on the site is: "Our critics claim that we're 'left,' but we know we're right."

There's a graphic on the site with a picture of GWB and the words, "Visit America, home of the climate killers."

59 posted on 08/05/2003 12:12:12 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Cuttnhorse
I did like the part about the new formula's environmental friendliness - do I see a Sierra Club award in the DoD's future?
60 posted on 08/05/2003 12:12:27 PM PDT by G L Tirebiter
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