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To: wimpycat
"Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?" Children don't need to go to a seminary to know Jesus. Jesus is available to all people, not just those who avail themselves of "professional" assistance.

I don't want to sound contentious, but do you even read your own statements? When you make the statement "Jesus is available to all people" you identify yourself as someone who doesn't believe the gospel but rather is a member of the American Religion (which is an apostate parody of Christianity). "Jesus is not available to all people" in the sense that "all" means everyone without distinction. There is this continual theme throughout the entire Scriptures that teach the Doctrines of Grace. The reason I say this is that election is not contingent on head knowledge. In fact without prior regeneration/salvation, headknowledge would be impossible. Preaching the gospel is necessary as in that it is the conveyance of salvation, but all of the manipulation and pleadings don't make Christians.

Here is why your stuff is internally inconsistant. As a person of the American Religion, you probably buy into this idea of head knowledge precedes salvation (which is contrary to 1 Cor 2:14), or in other words, one is a clueless seeker and after being in the presence of mood manipulators, will eventually fill out the 3x5 "I wanna be a Christian Card". The gospel is not the conveyance, to those in the American Religion, it is the "free will choice" that comes about by making an informed decision. In evidence of wonderful American Religion documentaries like Left Behind it is a well established, yet totally unbiblical notion that there is this "Age of Accountability". How AoA is rationalized is that children don't need a savior and are born naturally meriting heaven because they are allegedly not accountable for their sins. If a child could make a "free will choice", then the safety net of AoA would not be necessary, or there is a conflict in reasoning that states that a child is not capable of recognizing sin, but is capable of recognizing that he needs to "choose Christ". That is some wierd "gospel" that says "choose Christ" but doesn't have a reason why.

So I don't know what comes out of the mouths of babes because they allegedly aren't capable of "choosing Christ" nor have the faculties to do so and thus need the protection of this thing called "Age of Accountability". Yet you pretend they are capable of saying profound things. I would like an example, otherwise this is mindless utterings on your part.

But then again, the plush toy Genie Jesus you are referring to is not the one described in Scripture, so my blood pressure really shouldn't go up over this. I just wish that you would be clear and say up front that this Jesus you are talking about is a figment of your imagination, not to be confused with the Son of God.

24 posted on 07/31/2003 8:11:59 PM PDT by Dr Warmoose
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To: Dr Warmoose; wimpycat
If heaven is a place for the rude, the smug, the supercilious and the haughty, basically anyone showing the traits of Dr. Warmoose, then I'll take the other place any day. Although presumably I have no choice anyway since I clearly can't be a member of the Elect, the exclusive group that the good doctor so clearly believes he (and anyone who holds a doctoate in divinity) has been pre-destined into.
25 posted on 08/01/2003 2:32:37 AM PDT by propertius
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To: Dr Warmoose
"Straw men are OK occasionally as long as something good comes out of it."

Guess who said this.
26 posted on 08/01/2003 2:43:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Dr Warmoose
I don't want to sound contentious, but do you even read your own statements? When you make the statement "Jesus is available to all people" you identify yourself as someone who doesn't believe the gospel but rather is a member of the American Religion (which is an apostate parody of Christianity).

And that's as far as I got before I stopped reading...if you don't believe Jesus and His promise of salvation is available to anybody for the asking (John 3:16), then you're not worth listening to. As in the previous post, you make erroneous assumptions about who and what I am, so there's really no point in carrying this any further.

28 posted on 08/01/2003 5:13:58 AM PDT by wimpycat (Down with Kooks and Kookery!)
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