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To: Dr Warmoose; wimpycat
If heaven is a place for the rude, the smug, the supercilious and the haughty, basically anyone showing the traits of Dr. Warmoose, then I'll take the other place any day. Although presumably I have no choice anyway since I clearly can't be a member of the Elect, the exclusive group that the good doctor so clearly believes he (and anyone who holds a doctoate in divinity) has been pre-destined into.
25 posted on 08/01/2003 2:32:37 AM PDT by propertius
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To: propertius
If heaven is a place for the rude, the smug, the supercilious and the haughty

That's why you're welcome to come.

27 posted on 08/01/2003 2:43:49 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: propertius
If heaven is a place for the rude, the smug, the supercilious and the haughty, basically anyone showing the traits of Dr. Warmoose...

Ok, Shoot the messenger. Jesus loves you, man. Feel better?

...then I'll take the other place any day.

Exactly. Bring asbestos underwear.

Although presumably I have no choice anyway since I clearly can't be a member of the Elect...

Funny, there was this pejorative called "Hyper-Calvinism" that was tagged onto people who claimed to already have a sneak peek in whose names were written in the Book of Life. Who would have ever thought that during Paul's roadtrip to Damascus that he would have that stop along the way? Under the American Religion's road to salvation, what happened to Paul was impossible since he didn't get to use his free-ill to choose. God didn't respect Paul's sovereign choice to go to hell. Instead one must make repeated trips to rock concerts, pep-talks, PK rallies, 12-step programs, skits, parties, church league baseball, and scores of other neo-evangelical experiences before one can be saved.

What say you of the disciples? How many of them used their free-will to choose? (Answer: John 15:16 - None.)

Abraham chose, right? Esau? (nope, he was hated by God Romans 9:13) Maybe Lazarus used his free-will when he brought himself up from the dead and came forth from the tomb. It was just a coincidence that Jesus was there calling him out by name. How about those who heard Paul and Barnabas preach? (Answer: Acts 13:48 - "appointed to salvation")

...believes he ...has been pre-destined into.

I would like to think that everyone has access to Ephesians 1; 3;11. Also, what is clearly outlined in Romans 8:29-30 shows completion in work. All of those He predestined, he also called, also justified, also glorified. The American Religion's god does none of those things; this impotent god just sits around fretting and worrying, just hoping that man will do the right thing. Keep worshiping an anti-christ and you should have no fears about ending up in hell.

29 posted on 08/01/2003 5:20:48 AM PDT by Dr Warmoose
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