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120 or 180 Yrs Old? Experts Debate Limit of Aging
Reuters ^ | July 19, 2003 | Adam Tanner

Posted on 07/19/2003 4:56:57 PM PDT by AntiGuv

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Fancy living another 100 years or more? Some experts said on Saturday that scientific advances will one day enable humans to last decades beyond what is now seen as the natural limit of the human life span.

"I think we are knocking at the door of immortality," said Michael Zey, a Montclair State University business professor and author of two books on the future. "I think by 2075 we will see it and that's a conservative estimate."

Zey spoke on the sidelines of the annual conference of the World Future Society, a group that ponders how the future will look across many different aspects of society.

In a presentation at the meeting in San Francisco, Donald Louria, a professor at New Jersey Medical School in Newark said advances in manipulating cells and genes as well as nanotechnology make it likely humans will live in the future beyond what has been possible in the past.

"What was science fiction a decade ago is no longer science fiction," he said.

500 YEARS?

"There is a dramatic and intensive push so that people can live from 120 to 180 years," he said. "Some have suggested that there is no limit and that people could live to 200 or 300 or 500 years."

Outside the conference, many scientists who specialize in aging are skeptical of such claims and say the human body is just not designed to last past about 120 years. Even with healthier lifestyles and less disease, they say failure of the brain and other organs will eventually condemn all humans.

"These people spout off as though a large part of the population is going to be able to do something like this. It's just way beyond reality," said Thomas Perls, who leads the New England Centenarian Study, the largest such analysis of the oldest of the old. "It's just pure science fiction."

"We are fast approaching what our bodies are capable of achieving," he said in a telephone interview. "To get even the average person to be 100 or to get them to 180 is like trying to get a space shuttle to Pluto."

STAMPING OUT DISABILITIES

Any dramatic extension of the human life span would depend on altering the onset of disabilities that accompany the aging process by changing one's genetic make up, said Harvey Cohen, director of the Center for the Study of Aging and Human Development at Duke University Medical Center.

"It's certainly unlikely any time in the near future," he said in an interview. "Sure there is a possibility but there is no data currently available to suggest ways that would happen."

Scientists also differ on what kind of life the super aged might live.

"It remains to be seen if you pass the threshold of say 120, you know; could you be healthy enough to have good quality of life?" said Leonard Poon, director of the University of Georgia Gerontology Center. "Currently people who could get to that point are not in good health at all."

Poon, who leads a study of more than 150 centenarians in Georgia, cited the case of Jeanne Louise Calment of France, the oldest person on record who died at age 122 in 1997.

"At 122 she was fairly debilitated. I visited her when she was 119 in France and at that time she was pretty much blind and having very much difficulty hearing," he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; longevity
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1 posted on 07/19/2003 4:56:57 PM PDT by AntiGuv
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To: PatrickHenry
Ping!
2 posted on 07/19/2003 4:57:23 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv
"like trying to get a space shuttle to Pluto."

You know, that's technically possible . . . .

3 posted on 07/19/2003 4:59:27 PM PDT by JoeSchem (Okay, now it works: Knight's Quest, at http://www.geocities.com/engineerzero)
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To: AntiGuv
Social Security will REALLY be messed up then.

4 posted on 07/19/2003 5:10:09 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii (Actually Tarzana CA)
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To: AntiGuv
And you thought Social Security was in trouble NOW....

LQ
5 posted on 07/19/2003 5:10:09 PM PDT by LizardQueen
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To: LizardQueen
Jinx!
6 posted on 07/19/2003 5:10:36 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii (Actually Tarzana CA)
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To: AntiGuv
Evolution didn't really need to have long lifetimes, merely long enough to pop out a 2nd generation and be around long enough to parent it to independence. So it never really cared if there were slowly cummulative problems in the genetic profile.
7 posted on 07/19/2003 5:12:24 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: AntiGuv
In the past 100 years, the lifespan has increased about 30 years. However, if you visit your local nursing home, the last 10+ aren't pretty.
8 posted on 07/19/2003 5:13:51 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: AntiGuv
For what it's worth ... I think many people (including myself) know when they reach a certain age bracket, that's the age they would prefer to remain ,if they could, indefinitely. That age for me was between 28 & 33. For others it might be older, others younger. My point is, if you look like your 120, and you are, what's the point?
9 posted on 07/19/2003 5:24:27 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: AntiGuv
Then the LORD said, "My spirit will not remain in man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."
Gen. 6:3

10 posted on 07/19/2003 5:26:24 PM PDT by w_over_w
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To: AntiGuv
I'd be happy to live to 180 if they can arrange for me to never look a day over 30!
11 posted on 07/19/2003 5:28:57 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: aimhigh
However, if you visit your local nursing home, the last 10+ aren't pretty.

It used to be you had kids by 25, retired at 55 and dropped dead of a heart attack while golfing at 70.

Now science is telling me that if I quit smoking, drinking and eating food that tastes good, I can live to be 100. Why would I want to live that long? So I can sit in a nursing home mourning (or envying) all my dead friends, defecate all over myself and forget the names of my family members? No thanks.

Until medical science figures out a way to make my 20s last for 50 years, I'm not the least bit interested in living to be 100.

12 posted on 07/19/2003 5:30:30 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: AntiGuv
The other day I felt like I was 180 years old. Does that count?
13 posted on 07/19/2003 5:30:32 PM PDT by hauerf
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To: AntiGuv
The ultimate power is to control when you die. Or at least that's what some say.
14 posted on 07/19/2003 5:38:18 PM PDT by Bogey78O (I'll vote Conservative till I die....Democrat soon after)
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To: AntiGuv
Experts Debate Limit of Aging

"I think we are knocking at the door of immortality," said Michael Zey, a Montclair State University business professor and the author of two books on the future.

Uh ... he is not an expert on the limits of aging. He sounds like someone who wants to sell books.

15 posted on 07/19/2003 5:41:17 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Bogey78O
Immortal acually means something like 1000 years. By then the odds are you'll die in an accident of some sort.
16 posted on 07/19/2003 5:46:51 PM PDT by eno_
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; *crevo_list; RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman; ...
PING. [This ping list is for the evolution side of evolution threads, and sometimes for other science topics. FReepmail me to be added or dropped.]
17 posted on 07/19/2003 5:59:45 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (When rationality is outlawed, only outlaws will be rational.)
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To: AntiGuv
Exploring the Singularity
18 posted on 07/19/2003 6:00:40 PM PDT by sourcery (The Evil Party thinks their opponents are stupid. The Stupid Party thinks their opponents are evil.)
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To: eno_
Immortal acually means something like 1000 years. By then the odds are you'll die in an accident of some sort.

We'll need a super-OSHA.

19 posted on 07/19/2003 6:04:34 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: AntiGuv
Staring into the Singularity
20 posted on 07/19/2003 6:04:47 PM PDT by sourcery (The Evil Party thinks their opponents are stupid. The Stupid Party thinks their opponents are evil.)
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