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Majority of Americans Now Question Justification for Iraq War [horse hockey alert]
intellectualconservative.com ^ | 11 July 2003 | David T. Pyne

Posted on 07/12/2003 8:25:42 AM PDT by Destro

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Majority of Americans Now Question Justification for Iraq War

by David T. Pyne, Center for the National Security Interest

11 July 2003

In retrospect it is painfully clear that Saddam and Iraq never posed any threat either in terms of intention or capabilities against either American civilians here at home or even to US troops which were invading their own country.

According to a poll conducted last week by the University of Maryland, 52 percent of Americans believe the Bush administration either "stretched the truth" about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction or told outright lies. Only 32 percent said they thought the government was being "fully truthful" about the Iraqi arsenal. Similarly, 56 percent of those polled believed the US government stretched the truth or made outright false statements about Hussein's ties to al-Qaeda.

As witnessed by this latest poll, the American people are finally beginning to realize the truth about the war in Iraq and how the Bush Administration deliberately deceived the American people on Iraqi WMD and other issues to attempt to justify a war, which could not be justified on that or any other grounds. This war represented a marked departure from America's previous 227-year Judeo-Christian just war tradition. For one of the first times in US history, America was the aggressor against a country that our Secretary of State admitted posed no threat to the United States and which has since been proven to lack even a rudimentary capability to even defend itself against invasion let alone threaten another.

This policy, far from being conservative in nature, represents a continuance of the Clinton foreign policy of transforming the United States into an aggressor power that attacks countries that pose no threat to it as was the case when the Clintonites targeted Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Sudan, Kosovo and Iraq for military action without even the most rudimentary justification back in the 1990s. Only in Afghanistan in 1998 was the application of US military power by the Clinton Administration justified, although even then it represented an attempt to 'wag the dog' and divert attention from the House vote to impeach him. Ultimately, it resulted in a couple dozen million dollar cruise missiles hitting a bunch of empty tents in the desert at an Al Queda training camp.

Likewise, the Bush Administration's invasion of Afghanistan was amply justified and properly executed in response to the Al Queda suicide bomber attack against America on 9-11 under the time-honored rules of just war. However, as in the case of Iraq, the Administration has signaled no plans to ever withdraw the US military presence from that beleaguered country or its neighbors in Central Asia, and American troops are increasingly paying the price with their lives as they continue to be subjected to attacks from local insurgents. Today US troops, whose primary constitutional role is defense of the US homeland, find themselves deployed in nearly 200 nations the world over. The US military and particularly the US Army is suffering badly from imperial overstretch even as calls to further slash its force structure continue to ring out from Rumsfeld and his chief lieutenants at the Bush Department of Defense.

Testimony by the Director of the CIA, George Tenet, and a CIA intelligence report issued last fall confirmed that Iraq did not pose an actual or imminent threat to the US but merely a "potential threat" which might emerge several years from now. At the time, Mr. Tenet testified to Congress that "it appears that Iraq had drawn a line in the sand against targeting the US with terrorist action or WMD attack," but that it might change its policy were the US to invade it. Why then did Bush choose to invade it and presumably provoke the very kind of action which he was supposedly fighting to prevent? We can all be very thankful that Saddam chose to destroy his weapons of mass destruction prior to the invasion rather than use them against our brave US fighting soldiers. In retrospect it is painfully clear that Saddam and Iraq never posed any threat either in terms of intention or capabilities against either American civilians here at home or even to US troops which were invading their own country.

As casualties continue to mount against our heroic troops in Iraq, rather than do the right thing and set a near-term time table for the withdraw of our armies of occupation, the Administration has declared that they will remain there indefinitely. If they do, they will almost certainly be subjected to an increased tempo of guerilla and terrorist attacks from the understandably resentful citizens of Iraq, who prefer self-determination and democracy to occupation by a foreign power. America was not meant by its founders to be an aggressor state or an empire, but rather a constitutional republic under God.

Nearly three months after our victory over Iraq, and after untold thousands of searches, the Administration has been unable to locate a single weapon of mass destruction in Iraq. Over one-hundred and fifty of our brave fighting men and women have been killed in action and an equal number of families have suffered immeasurable loss, not to mention the loss of several thousand lives of Iraqi soldiers who died defending their country and Iraqi civilians. Has the price of empire been worth it? The price has already been far too high for too many American families who have had loved ones die without a just cause to console them and justify their heroic sacrifice.

The American people believed the President and were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with regards to his unconfirmed allegations of possession of threatening weapons of mass destruction by Iraq. However, their patience is wearing increasingly thin as the evidence comes out that the Administration may have knowingly deceived them and manufactured intelligence to support their unsupportable claims. Ultimately, this unjust war may well be the undoing of the Bush presidency. Given that the alternative outcome of a Democrat presidency would almost certainly result in even greater harm to the American republican system of government, hopefully that will not be the case.

David T. Pyne, Esq. is a national security expert who serves as President of the Center for the National Security Interest, a national security think-tank based in Arlington, VA. This article published originally at EtherZone.com; republication allowed with this notice and hyperlink intact.

Email David T. Pyne @ red_alert_usa@yahoo.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bircherbs; davidtpyne; denialofreality; flyingmonkeybrigade; iraq; iraqifreedom; nuts; pollsoniraq; psuedointelligence; pynenut
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1 posted on 07/12/2003 8:25:42 AM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro
Oh, one of the Saddam supporters speaks again. Some people never learn. Naive and generally uninformed.
2 posted on 07/12/2003 8:29:49 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Destro
52 percent of Americans believe the Bush administration either "stretched the truth" about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction or told outright lies.

OK, but how many give a rat's @ss?

4 posted on 07/12/2003 8:30:40 AM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: Destro
Sorry -- no sale here. This piece tells me more about "intellectualconservative.com" than it does about American public opinion.
6 posted on 07/12/2003 8:37:14 AM PDT by WarrenC
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To: Destro
The first paragraph of the article makes some pretty big assumptions. No threat? Uh-huh.There was alot of justification get rid of Saddam, the adminstration just high lighted the wrong ones. How about we just don't like the MF.The US needs to install a dictator in Iraq. Democracy will not work. They are too use to being ruled.
7 posted on 07/12/2003 8:37:57 AM PDT by novacation
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To: Destro; All
Ya know, I hate to be redundant (I have posted this many times) but when I see writers/reporters whining about things like this I am reminded myself of all the reasons the previous administration gave for getting saddam out. As the dems take up an issue of niger perhaps we should remind them of their own views on the Iraqi issue....

Gore repeats that Saddam MUST GO - June 2000

Taliban, Clinton, Saudi Involvement - All laid out in a book published in 2000 (from USMC.MIL site)

The Democrats' Case Against Saddam Hussein (Dems nailed, yet again)

Headline Rundown and links on Iraq - Things the democrats have conviently forgot...

Saddam Abused His Last Chance, Clinton -clear and present danger to safety of people everywhere 1998

What the democrats want you to forget

Iraq is a Regional Threat, capable of as much as 200 tons of VX nerve agent (1999 Clinton report)

Czech military reports say iraq has smallpox virus in weapons stockpile (and camelpox)

2/7/1998 : Arab media: Clinton will strike due to sex scandal (&links to tons of arab news on clinton)

Iraqi chemical weapons buildup reported (Sept 2001 Report)

Clinton, Gore rally domestic support for strike at Iraq, "unholy axis" (1998 Must read)

statement President Clinton from 1998 on the air strikes

Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Full Text, Sense of Congress - Remove Saddam

8 posted on 07/12/2003 8:40:50 AM PDT by chance33_98 (http://home.frognet.net/~thowell/haunt/ ---->our ghosty page)
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To: randog
Within 12 hours of 9/11, the Communist Party USA website had an article up blaming America for the attacks and calling for us not to hit back. Month by month, RATS became bolder and bolder--attacking our forces in Afghanistan, predicting a genocide of the Afghan people, calling for the UN--not America--to protect America's security, opposing any action against Iraq and--eventually--defending Saddam himself. Every single act Bush has taken to defend America has been savaged by someone, often most, on the left.

This poll is damage assesement. RATS always do this. They run propaganda campaigns, then survey the battlefield. Expect more of it. These stats--true or not--will be used to harm American security further.

9 posted on 07/12/2003 8:41:12 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: chance33_98
The first paragraph of the article makes some pretty big assumptions. No threat? Uh-huh.There was alot of justification get rid of Saddam

Indeed, see my last post :)

10 posted on 07/12/2003 8:41:24 AM PDT by chance33_98 (http://home.frognet.net/~thowell/haunt/ ---->our ghosty page)
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To: Peach
Well if Kerry reads this we all know how he will spew the rest of the week.
11 posted on 07/12/2003 8:44:05 AM PDT by armymarinemom
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To: Destro
What a bunch of crap. I am not a republican, nor a "Bush lover" per se, but my personal opinion is that Bush and his administration has very carefully UNDERSTATED the WMD justification for going into Iraq. This opinion is based on hundreds of hours of sorting through wildly opinionated press stories on both sides and sorting through it to try to find the underlying facts. I have searched and studied through the morass of fact finding UN reports and there is enough evidence in them, to convince anybody of the seriousness of the threat - if you just take the time to read them. For that matter, you can easily build a solid case based soley on what Iraq itself has admitted, by their own word.

It is amazing to watch the press ramble and rant about things that are supposition and political commentary, but not investigative reporting. It also betrays the liberal leanings and political slants of the press, once you have some idea of what is known and agreed upon fact, and what is conjecture and supposition.

There is no doubt that Iraq once had WMD and their programs constituted a dire threat, not just to the US, but to the entire world, including the people of Iraq. What has happened to those weapons and programs and materials is in doubt, but their existance and the intent to use them is not.

12 posted on 07/12/2003 8:45:44 AM PDT by tentmaker
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To: Peach
Oh, one of the Saddam supporters speaks again.

One does not have to support Saddam to understand that he was no risk and could have been safely ignored. It was not necessary to put our boys at risk or to kill thousands of innocent civilians. Apparently a bare majority understands that already. How many will understand that in November 2004?

The Republicans would be well advised to find another candidate rather than go down with the Bush ship.

13 posted on 07/12/2003 8:46:26 AM PDT by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: Destro
David Pyne, you're either a blind, naive, idiot or you're a Sadaam sympathizer!
How soon your kind forget!
How many chances did Sadaam have to avoid what happened to him?
He didn't think GW had the balls to make it happen.
"Don't Mess With Texas", or a Texan! They'll make you wish you hadn't been born!

This kind of crap is no different than what happened during VietNam.
Editorial after editorial whining about the reason for the war when our men and women were dying for that reason.
There's going to be a big push to get us out of Iraq, the same way the anti-war protestors did during 'Nam.
If it succeeds our children will have another despot to deal with in a few short years.

14 posted on 07/12/2003 8:51:32 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Mike4Freedom
The Republicans would be well advised to find another candidate rather than go down with the Bush ship.

Don't worry--the Liberaltarians will field a top notch candidate and save us all.

Some day.

15 posted on 07/12/2003 8:55:15 AM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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Don't worry--the Liberaltarians will field a top notch candidate and save us all.

Some day.

The day the bong freezes over.

16 posted on 07/12/2003 8:57:56 AM PDT by Dane
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To: WarrenC
EX-cellent points! I AGREE!
17 posted on 07/12/2003 9:00:36 AM PDT by NordP (We LOVE You W!)
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To: Mike4Freedom
The Republicans would be well advised to find another candidate rather than go down with the Bush ship.

good point!

The war with Iraq is bush's strongest attribute, and his only hope, which isnt much.

The economy, jobs, employment, deficit spending, balance of trade, falling dollar, number of factories closing, number of americans filing bankruptcies, bush's willingness to sign extention of assault weapons bans, increased suseptability of foreign terrorism on american shores, etc are all against bush staying in office.

His tax cut is temporary at best, and only helps those employed. As long as federal government spending is increasing, taxes will go up one way or anothter, the tax cut is superficial. Higher governemnt spending results in more taxes. Higher unemployment means that fewer americans who do work, will have to make up for the taxes not paid by those unemployed. Dont fool yourself, your taxes will go up by what bush has done. Bush has not ended one single federal program, he has not eliminated one single federal department, we still have the department of education, we still have the epa, and now bush will start paying for prescriptions. All these things cost money, and fewer taxpayers will have to pay more and more in taxes.

Why have a republican president who supports gun control and is letting the economy tank while he only seems to be concerned with Iraq?

18 posted on 07/12/2003 9:00:59 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: Mike4Freedom
You, my friend, are most naive.
19 posted on 07/12/2003 9:02:24 AM PDT by NordP (We LOVE You W!)
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To: Mike4Freedom
You, my friend, are most naive.
20 posted on 07/12/2003 9:02:38 AM PDT by NordP (We LOVE You W!)
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