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Pro-Life 'Chefs' Exiting the Pampered Life
Agape Press ^ | June 16, 2003 | Rusty Pugh and Jody Brown

Posted on 06/17/2003 7:45:53 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: agrace
Oh come on, that's hardly comparable.

It is a point well taken. None of us have any control how others use the wealth that our purchases and patronage provide. Nor can they control what we do with our money.

41 posted on 06/18/2003 11:58:37 AM PDT by 2Smart2BLiberal (I'm the nicest litle lady you'll ever meet. Really.)
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To: hayseed
>Are you going to burn your house down because it was made with Acme Brick, also a BH company? I doubt it.

Absolutely not, and I'm not going to throw away all my Pampered Chef utensils either. I didn't know up til now so those purchases were made with a clean conscience. But now it's out there, I'm aware of it and I won't be spending any more money on PC products and will be telling my sister and mom and friends why I won't go to another PC party if asked. You're absolutely right, everyone is entitled to their own personal opinion, and everyone is responsible to their own personal conviction, and mine tells me that if I am quite aware of an organization's donations to Planned Parenthood, I will do whatever possible in my power to refrain from contributing. That goes for the United Way, the March of Dimes...no matter how much good they have done. A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

May God bless you and your family and may He guide all your decisions.

Mark 8:36, "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

42 posted on 06/18/2003 12:03:01 PM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace
Well what do expect is going on? Is Warren Buffett driving to Dairy Queen and picking up the daily reciepts then dropping them off at Planned Parenthood?

The money that Pampered Chef gets doesn't go straight into the pockets of abortionists. If those dispicable programs get 1/1000 of a cent for every $100 Pampered Chef order I would be surprised. Yet, in the example I give, their windshield wiper money probably provides the same amount of money to the child killers.

Name any company that is publically held and I can draw you a line how any purchase you make from them will cause a portion of your money to end up in the hands of an abortionist. Any publically held company sells stock. At least one person who holds any company's stock will be someone who gives a donation to Planned Parenthood. Thus, buying anything sold, produced, or handled by a publically held company supports abortion a small amount.

This is why this whole concept is ridiculous, it assumes that we have a moral obligation to follow our money through the whole flow.

What if the guy instead of buying a blizzard went to a strip club? That's a pretty short series of steps for your money to be supporting something you might find immoral.

1) You
2) Auto-shop
3) Rusty
4) Tina at the Pink Pussycat

Compare that too,

1) You
2) Pampered Chef
3) The Berkshire Hathaway Company that owns Pampered Chef
4) Berkshire Hathaway
5) The Berkshire Hathaway Foundation
6) Various pro-abortion groups

5 steps to get to the evil Child killers from you, while Tina got her stripping money in 3 steps. How many steps are you responsible for your money? If it's more than one, I suggest you make charts like this for all of your purchases. Who know, Rusty may have given to Planned Parenthood, would that have made the windshield wipers more evil than the Blizzard?

43 posted on 06/18/2003 12:10:34 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: 2Smart2BLiberal
ASB's example was NOT the same thing. His is like saying, what if I bought Pampered Chef products from you, and you paid an assistant for helping with the party, and that assistant turned around and bought a Blizzard with his Amex. Let's be honest - his example was a bit convoluted and hardly fair.

You might as well say, what if the actual dollar bill I used to pay for my kids' m&ms was given by the convenience store owner to tip the pizza boy who then gave it to his buddy to buy pot, gasp, I'm funding drug trafficking, no more m&ms for my kids!!!

Tongue in cheek but a more comparable illustration.
44 posted on 06/18/2003 12:14:56 PM PDT by agrace
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Please see post 44, thank you. :)
45 posted on 06/18/2003 12:16:22 PM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace
No, I think his point was that we don't have any control over what others do with income they get from our business and how far do we want to take it? Soon, we would be living like the Amish.

He's right about how much actual money from my Pampered Chef business goes into Berkshire Hathaway's charitable giving program. It's entirely possible,and probable, that my tithes and other donations to pro-life groups would exceed what BH gets from my sales.
46 posted on 06/18/2003 12:20:35 PM PDT by 2Smart2BLiberal (I'm the nicest litle lady you'll ever meet. Really.)
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To: agrace
Why is it that different? When you buy Pampered Chef, the money is not going straight to Planned Parenthood. It must go through quite a few hands first. If you are not responsible for the pot that was bought, then how can you be responsible for the abortionists getting your money? You are responsible for 1 step of your money. If Pampered Chef had a policy of giving donations directly to Planned Parenthood, then absolutely.

But because a Foundation run by a Company that has several layers of companies between itself and a Pampered Chef customer gives a small portion of their charitable giving to baby killers, that's a direct connection? Sorry, that doesn't wash.

47 posted on 06/18/2003 12:21:01 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: 2Smart2BLiberal
In addition to my comment #46 is that if it weren't for my Pampered Chef business, we would not be able to donate as much money as we do. God has a way of seeing that His will is done in spite of evil men.
48 posted on 06/18/2003 12:24:28 PM PDT by 2Smart2BLiberal (I'm the nicest litle lady you'll ever meet. Really.)
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To: 2Smart2BLiberal
Keep your chin up, and don't let these hypocrites get you down. You did the right thing by staying home with your children. If you boycotted every company that contributed to the abortion industry, you wouldn't buy another product again in your lifetime. Right now, you are taking care of your own home and your own family, just as God wills. Good job!
49 posted on 06/18/2003 12:31:23 PM PDT by Under the Radar
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To: 2Smart2BLiberal
(I'm the nicest litle lady you'll ever meet. Really.)

I'm sure you are. :) Have a good afternoon.

50 posted on 06/18/2003 12:31:23 PM PDT by agrace
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To: nickcarraway
I have thought for some time that big business supports abortion for reasons other than "overpopulation." Those people are well informed enough to know overpopulation is a myth.

Two thirds of our economy is based on consumer spending. The culture of instant gratification promoted by the sexual revolution promotes the same attitudes toward spending on consumer goods for self gratification. Plus, keeping families small increases the amount of money the adults can spend on the stuff those guys make. Larger families have a nasty habit of saving for the future and spending money on their kid's basic needs. Bad for business.

52 posted on 06/18/2003 12:42:15 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
But because a Foundation run by a Company that has several layers of companies between itself and a Pampered Chef customer gives a small portion of their charitable giving to baby killers, that's a direct connection? Sorry, that doesn't wash.

Looks like a straight line to me. OK, how about this one. Achmed the corner grocery owner sells part of the store to his nephew Amir. Amir is a member of Hamas and his share ends up funding terrorism. You find this out. Achmed is no terrorist, but he can't or won't sever ties with Amir, even though part of their profits goes to Hamas. Do you still shop the corner grocery?

53 posted on 06/18/2003 12:45:24 PM PDT by agrace
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To: Aquinasfan
The voice of reason : )

Personally, I've never heard of the Pampered Chef. In my kitchen, the old Presto pressure cooker rules. Bon appetit!

54 posted on 06/18/2003 12:48:53 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: agrace
So the steps are

1) Me
2) Amir
3) Hamas

That seems pretty simple. Much simpler than Pampered Chef to Planned Parenthood.

Maybe you meant something like,

1) Me
2) Achmed
3) Achmed's Mosque
4) Mullah Amir
5) Center for Muslim Relations
6) Hamas

That would be more in line, and I would not have a problem buying canned peached from Achmed. He is only responsible for giving to his Mosque, and I am only responsible for giving to Achmed. If Achmed was sending money directly to Hamas, like Amir is in your example, then sure I have a responsibility in that step.

55 posted on 06/18/2003 12:53:09 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: MHGinTN
I gave up on Dairy Queen a while ago, now I go to Culvers
56 posted on 06/18/2003 1:00:56 PM PDT by Darkshadow
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To: hayseed
Thank you for some common sense.
57 posted on 06/18/2003 1:03:52 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
I see your point and it seems the difference between our opinions is how distantly or closely related the intermediate steps are perceived to be. And based on mine, I still won't be buying PC anymore. :) Have a good afternoon and thanks for the discussion.
58 posted on 06/18/2003 1:12:04 PM PDT by agrace
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To: hayseed
"Do any of you know that we have contributed millions to the American Cancer Society for the prevention of breast cancer?"

As well they should since by funding abortion they also fund instances of breast cancer.
59 posted on 06/18/2003 1:21:49 PM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: agrace
What kind of computers do you buy? Just curious...
60 posted on 06/18/2003 1:35:36 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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