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Stop bleating about WMD and listen to how Nasir's mother was executed in a pit
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 06/18/03 | Ann Clwyd

Posted on 06/17/2003 2:49:12 PM PDT by Pokey78

I never imagined when I wrote on this page in March about the plastic shredder used to kill in one of Saddam’s prisons that I would, some months later, read in a chillingly meticulous record book that one of the methods of execution was “mincing”.

I had just finished a press conference in the still-shabby British Embassy in Baghdad, when a reporter from Fox TV told me that he had been handed for safekeeping by an Iraqi a 56-page record book from the notorious Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad. Later, at the Sheridan hotel, we scanned the horrific record of Saddam’s sadism and brutality.

The prison itself, really a vast concentration camp, is on the edge of a small town. Market traders sell fresh fruit and vegetables, children play ball in the dusty streets. The normality of life outside this ghastly place, where so many lives came to an end, is itself horrible, since many of the people probably would have worked in the prison. I walked around talking to groups of young boys messing around on their bikes. Two of them, not more than 16 years old, told me they had been guards.

Just a few days before the Americans arrived, they said, the remaining prisoners had been killed; stood in trenches up to their waists and shot through the head.

In the corridors there are murals of Saddam Hussein: Saddam with a hawk on his shoulder; Saddam with a rocket-launcher and a dove in the barrel; Saddam in a silk shirt with a cigar. His victims were taken from dark and overcrowded cells to the execution block with its ceiling hooks and levers that catapulted them to a grisly death in the pits below. Some were still alive. The guards then broke their necks by standing on them.

The UN could have gone on passing resolutions and sending in inspectors and rapporteurs for the next 50 years, but in the end there was no realistic alternative to war. Those who bleat about weapons of mass destruction or question the legality of war should talk to the Iraqi people. They are irritated. They ask, “Don’t they care about us? About mass graves? About torture?” Stand at the mass grave at al-Hillah where up to 15,000 people are buried, hands tied behind their backs, bullets through their brains. Examine the pitiful possessions found so far: a watch, a faded ID card, a comb, a ring, a clump of black hair. Watch the old woman in her black chador, tattoos on her gnarled hands, looking through the plastic bags on top of unidentified, reburied bodies, for something that will help her to find her son, who disappeared in 1991.

Stand at the mass grave near Kirkuk, where huge mechanised trucks churn the earth in clouds of dust. Look at the skeletons now tenderly reburied in simple wooden coffins. Talk to Nasir al-Hussein, who was only 12 at the time of the 1991 mass arrests. He, his mother, uncle and cousins were piled on buses. They turned off on to a farm road and the executions started. People were thrown into a pit, machinegunned and then buried with a bulldozer. Nasir crawled out of the mass grave, leaving his dead relatives behind.

The killing fields of al-Hillah and Kirkuk look unremarkable. Shepherds graze their sheep, children play on bikes. But also here are some of the hundreds and thousands of the perhaps 800,000 of the dead of this country. Saddam’s victims: Shias, Kurds, Communists, the people of Iraq. Now the secrets of this evil and despotic regime are being revealed. How much more killing could there have been?

A house in Baghdad, formerly the private home of one of Saddam’s secret police, has been taken over by those who seek to put the record straight. Outside on the banks of the Tigris, hundreds of Shia men search through the records found so far. Dusty papers and old files fill every room. In one are three computers into which 150,000 names of the dead and where they died have been logged in just two weeks. In another room is some of the torture equipment: a chiropractor’s couch wired to administer electric shocks, the weights and pulleys used to apply pain. All around are grieving relatives, women in black chadors clutching tearfully at my arm. They have waited 12 long years for news. They still wait. Saddam, like Hitler and Pol Pot, kept meticulous records of his crimes. At the same time, Baath party men are said to be buying up the files that implicate them in the crimes.

The director of this self-help centre, Ibrahim al-Idrissi, was in prison eight times. Once they took off all his toenails. He shows me photographs of executions and the bloodied, battered body of a university lecturer from Basra, still alive, his sawn-off arm lying by his side.

On the streets of Baghdad, WMD is not an issue. “Thanks to Bush and Blair,” they cry. I ask what would have happened if they had spoken to me like this in the past on the streets of Baghdad. One man slowly drew his hand, palm down, across his throat.

The author is an MP and special envoy on human rights in Iraq to the Prime Minister.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: atrocities; iraqifreedom; wmd
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1 posted on 06/17/2003 2:49:13 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
remember when liberals supposedly cared about the children? I guess they lied. apparently they have no care for children who crawled out of the pits of people who were shot and buried alive. unbelievable.
2 posted on 06/17/2003 2:54:35 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Pokey78
Brings one down to earth with a thump!
3 posted on 06/17/2003 2:56:10 PM PDT by Hans
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To: Pokey78
Clwyd is a classic liberal in her views here as opposed to left wing.I respect her passion for freeing the Iraqis.
4 posted on 06/17/2003 2:56:25 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Pokey78
Clwyd should understand that A) everyone knows that Iraq is infinitely better off now, but B) our inability to locate WMDs is the Left's only wedge against GWB-- and they aren't about to let go of it.
5 posted on 06/17/2003 3:01:54 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: MEG33
... the mass graves in bosnia held a few thousand total... and it was all over the news... Here 150,000 have been cataloged in the first month
6 posted on 06/17/2003 3:01:59 PM PDT by AlextheWise1
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To: Pokey78
Nice balance to the whining of the political opportunists.
7 posted on 06/17/2003 3:04:33 PM PDT by don-o
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To: Steven W.
They only care about "the children" or other people's rights when it means votes for them. We fought and displaced EVIL in Iraq, but since the left is morally ambivalent and amoral, they shrug their shoulders or wrinkle their noses at the mention of "evil." I'm beginning to conclude that the left can bleat all they want about WMD, but the majority of Americans know we did what was right in Iraq, and if we never find any WMD, it is a trifle -- at least the Iraqi people are now free of a great evil.
8 posted on 06/17/2003 3:12:08 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: Pokey78
Most annoying is when liberals conceed that Saddam's an evil man but then whine "But there's a lot of evil people in the world." Do they also tell the police officer that then they're pulled over for speeding? Just because we can't enforce human rights everywhere doesn't mean that we can't do it at all.
And besides, their whining isn't about protecting a nation's soverienty, its more about not wanting the US to do anything.
9 posted on 06/17/2003 3:24:52 PM PDT by lelio
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To: AlextheWise1
European as opposed to Arab or Europe's desire to bomb Serbia as opposed to American desire to depose Saddam?Perhaps they think..old news..we all know he was a brute.I believe the media's big news is that Iraq is not an island of perfect tranquility because the US has failed.What's tens of thousands of dead when there's America to bash.
10 posted on 06/17/2003 3:30:35 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Pokey78
The Saddamn regime itself was a weapon of mass destruction.
11 posted on 06/17/2003 3:33:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Steven W.
remember when liberals supposedly cared about the children? I guess they lied. apparently they have no care for children who crawled out of the pits of people who were shot and buried alive. unbelievable.

Oh come now, Saddam was just exercising his right to choose.

12 posted on 06/17/2003 3:37:28 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: My2Cents
Define WMD for me as I think we did find the most horrific hoard of them - Saddam and his sons were WMD to the people of Iraq and quite possibly the US and other countries. Stories like this have been coming out for months, but the media and print media would rather cover anti-war protesters and Tom Daschle's 'sadden' whine or al-Hillary’s book of fairy tales. American's serving in Iraq need to tell their stories loud and clearly for all to hear, especially for the socialist left in this country. Nancy Pelosi, Hillary – who has now come front and center for the time being as it will aid her. All those who spoke against their country and their President should be ashamed they could be so duped by propaganda.
13 posted on 06/17/2003 3:40:57 PM PDT by yoe (Hillery HAS not changed her spots, any cat can tell you that......)
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To: Thud
More on Iraqi records after the fall for your to consider.
14 posted on 06/17/2003 4:13:40 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: yoe
"Nancy Pelosi, Hillary "

V.P., POTUS '08

OMG NO, Shoot me now!

15 posted on 06/17/2003 4:51:32 PM PDT by Delmarksman (Keep the Criminals in Prison and leave my Guns alone. NNGL, No new gun laws.)
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To: Pokey78
Curious as to why no 'human shield' volunteered for 'shredder detail'...
16 posted on 06/17/2003 7:22:26 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
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To: F16Fighter
Stop bleating about WMD

Stop bleating about WMD's? Why stop bleating? Wasn't Mr. Bush bleating about WMD's for umpteen months to sell us on this war? Why has Mr. Bush stopped bleating? I think the rest of us better keep bleating.

17 posted on 06/17/2003 8:22:36 PM PDT by findingtruth
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To: findingtruth
Feel free.
18 posted on 06/17/2003 8:48:45 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Mamzelle
Here's a good article .
19 posted on 06/18/2003 7:14:57 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: Pokey78
BTTT!
20 posted on 06/18/2003 7:17:58 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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