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Grey Foxes on trail of missing dictator
The Sunday Times ^ | April 13, 2003 | Nicholas Rufford & Tony Allen-Mills

Posted on 04/12/2003 3:59:31 PM PDT by MadIvan

THE first evidence that some of Saddam Hussein’s followers believe he is dead has emerged from intercepted communications between senior officials in the toppled regime, according to American intelligence sources.

Electronic eavesdropping on Iraqi telephone links has for the first time picked up references to Saddam’s death. Iraqi officials began referring to him in the past tense after last Monday’s bombing of a property in the Baghdad district of al-Mansour where the dictator was believed to be at the time.

Several American officials cautioned yesterday that the evidence was not conclusive, and the telephone conversations may have been a ruse to persuade coalition forces to call off their hunt for Saddam.

The CIA is also attempting to establish if the officials heard talking about Saddam would have been in a position to know his fate. But one intelligence source said the conversations recorded last week were “totally different in nature” from the official “chatter” picked up after the first attempt to kill Saddam on the opening night of the war.

“At the outset we heard nothing to suggest we’d got him,” the source said. “Now it’s pretty clear that at least some of his underlings really believe he’s dead.”

Asked on Friday about Saddam’s status, Donald Rumsfeld, the US secretary of defence, chose his words carefully. “I have not personally seen enough intelligence from reliable sources . . . that would enable me to say that I have conviction that he’s dead. I also lack conviction that he’s alive,” he said.

The latest twist in the hunt for the former Iraqi leader followed a dramatic intelligence breakthrough that, for the second time in the three-week war, presented Pentagon planners with precise co-ordinates of Saddam’s whereabouts.

The airstrike on the well-to-do al-Mansour district last Monday came 45 minutes after an unidentified Iraqi source tipped off the CIA that Saddam, his son Qusay and other regime leaders were meeting at a house near the al-Saa restaurant.

The information coincided with earlier evidence from communications intercepts that Qusay, Saddam’s younger son, was still alive and apparently in charge of Iraq’s security forces. In conversations monitored by American agents, several Iraqi officers mentioned receiving their orders from Qusay.

It also became clear that regional commanders were “lying through their teeth” when reporting back to Baghdad about the progress of the war, American officials said. Iraqi generals talking to Qusay on satellite and other telephones boasted about inflicting heavy casualties and assured him that American tanks had been forced to retreat from Baghdad airport.

The confirmation of Qusay’s central role strengthened American suspicions that Uday, Saddam’s elder son, had been killed or seriously wounded in the attack on March 19 on the Dora Farm compound in Baghdad, which was destroyed by Tomahawk cruise missiles and a pair of 2,000lb bunker-busting bombs. But subsequent television appearances by Saddam indicated that the Americans’ principal target had somehow survived the attack.

For almost three weeks the CIA’s intelligence sources apparently dried up. When word finally arrived on Monday of another sighting of Saddam, a B-1B bomber was diverted from a raid on western Iraq. At 2pm Baghdad time, four 2,000lb bombs, two fitted with delayed fuses, turned the al-Mansour target into a 60ft crater.

American officials said it might take several days before the district, which was heavily populated with Saddam loyalists, was safe enough for a large excavation effort — and even then it might prove impossible to find identifiable remains.

Despite the new evidence from telephone intercepts, British and other intelligence officials cautioned that it was still possible that Saddam had left the building via one of the many tunnels that snake beneath Baghdad.

Embarrassed by their continuing failure to track down Osama Bin Laden, the Al-Qaeda leader, President George W Bush and other senior administration officials have recently been playing down the significance of the hunt for Saddam.

Both Bush and General Tommy Franks, the coalition commander, suggested on Friday that Saddam’s whereabouts were of secondary importance to the collapse of his regime. Saddam was “either dead or running like hell”, said Franks.

But other officials acknowledged that finding Saddam and his sons was crucial to coalition efforts to stabilise Iraq, not least by convincing Iraqis that their former oppressors would never return to punish them for co-operating with coalition troops. “Finding them or their bodies is important to the enterprise,” one official said.

Without definitive evidence of Saddam’s death, elite teams of American commandos are continuing to search across Iraq for traces of the fallen dictator. The special forces pursuers include a covert unit called Grey Fox.

Previously known as the Intelligence Support Activity, it has since been transformed into a so-called black unit that operates independently of the CIA and other American special forces to provide the Pentagon with its own covert intelligence capability.

Grey Fox members are believed to have infiltrated Tikrit, Saddam’s former stronghold and the place where he may yet be hiding.

If evidence emerges that Saddam not only succeeded in slipping out of Baghdad, but made it across the border to Syria, Grey Fox may be called on to pursue him to the gates of Damascus and beyond.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; chatter; cia; decapitation; espionagelist; flee; greyfox; intelligence; iraq; isa; saddam; uk; us; war
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It wasn't a failure to not catch Osama. It's difficult to catch someone who has vapourised from a Daisy Cutter.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 04/12/2003 3:59:31 PM PDT by MadIvan
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2 posted on 04/12/2003 3:59:44 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
So what if Hitler is alive in Asuncion, Paraguay?! Sheesh, these scribblers invent their own dramas and mysteries.
4 posted on 04/12/2003 4:05:16 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the dominant cliche!)
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To: MadIvan
Although finding Saddam dead would be preferable to NOT finding him, or learning he's alive somewhere we can't reach him, I'd much rather our guys caught him alive.
Since the Turks OWE us at this point, maybe they'd make amends by putting the bastard in one of thier prisons. I think they have some very appropriate places for Saddam to finish out his days, although they'd no doubt need help with security!
5 posted on 04/12/2003 4:06:09 PM PDT by DED (Liberals Never Learn. *LNL*)
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To: MadIvan
I still think the earlier reports of Uday being beaten by Saddams body guards because he had gone into a violent psychotic episode. He was accidently given a brain hemmorage, of which he died.
6 posted on 04/12/2003 4:09:28 PM PDT by Conservababe (I calls it like I sees it.)
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To: Conservababe
That's really a pity. He deserved a much more painful death.

Regards, Ivan

7 posted on 04/12/2003 4:10:14 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: DED
Saddam must NOT be taken alive!

His imprisonment and a lengthy trial would be the trigger for horrific events around the world.

Hostage-taking, murders, sky-jackings and other ploys would be used by his fanatic followers to try to effect his release or prevent a death sentence.

The Hollywood-left types would link arms across the nation and hold candlelight vigils.

No, the archfiend must be taken out by any means possible so that he becomes a distant memory, not a prisoner for the terrorists and leftists to rally around.

Leni

8 posted on 04/12/2003 5:04:01 PM PDT by MinuteGal (THIS JUST IN ! Astonishing fare reduction for FReeps Ahoy Cruise! Check it out, pronto!)
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To: MadIvan
Embarrassed by their continuing failure to track down Osama Bin Laden, the Al-Qaeda leader, President George W Bush and other senior administration officials have recently been playing down the significance of the hunt for Saddam.

What kind of crappy "objective" reporting is that?

Imagine a news article, not an editorial, stating: "Embarassed by his continued failure to deal with Osama bin Laden, Bill Clinton has no comment on the bombing of the Cole....."

Think that would ever happen?

9 posted on 04/12/2003 6:25:45 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Think that would ever happen?

Of course not. Bill Clinton was never embarrassed. About anything...

10 posted on 04/12/2003 7:14:19 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: MadIvan
"It also became clear that regional commanders were “lying through their teeth” when reporting back to Baghdad about the progress of the war, American officials said. Iraqi generals talking to Qusay on satellite and other telephones boasted about inflicting heavy casualties and assured him that American tanks had been forced to retreat from Baghdad airport. "

Maybe Baghdad Bob was just repeating what he was told.

11 posted on 04/12/2003 7:34:01 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: Revolting cat!
We coud find his body, positively identify him through DNA and the Arab community would say we were making it up.

Just like Elvis, there will be sighings of Sadaam no matter what we do. Dead or alive, he will still live on.
12 posted on 04/12/2003 8:37:07 PM PDT by ODDITHER
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To: MinuteGal
The Hollywood-left types would link arms across the nation and hold candlelight vigils.

Yup. I can just see Garofalo wearing a FREE SADDAM t-shirt on O'Reilly.

13 posted on 04/12/2003 8:53:20 PM PDT by laz17 (Socialism is the religion of the atheist.)
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To: MinuteGal
That was my opinion about Osama bin Laden - in fact, I wonder if our leadership would tell us if they'd killed him?
The best thing would be to dump him in a VERY large hole and never tell. No martyrs.
I'm not sure the same is true about Saddam. If we could arrange for him to be tried in an Arab nation and really get out the story of just how hideous his regime was, people might learn something useful.
Remember, Saddam is a secular leader - there aren't too many misconceptions on that point.
The Hollywood left is for avoiding war at LITERALLY all costs (they can't even do math - 10,000 lives lost in war is still fewer than 1,000,000+ lives lost during "PEACETIME" in Iraq), but once the war is over, I'm not so sure they'd waste any time on Saddam.
But you could be right, they may be even stupider than I think they are!
14 posted on 04/12/2003 8:55:47 PM PDT by DED (Liberals Never Learn. *LNL*)
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To: DannyTN
Maybe Baghdad Bob was just repeating what he was told.

He had a great delivery, but I guess he didn't write his own material.

15 posted on 04/12/2003 8:56:51 PM PDT by laz17 (Socialism is the religion of the atheist.)
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To: MadIvan; All
You must get your hands on the current Vanity Fair. David Rose has a story on the brutality of Ouday. It was spell binding in light of cnns sins. I never read the mag except to scan the ads but my wife convinced me to read this piece...
16 posted on 04/12/2003 9:11:44 PM PDT by tubebender (?)
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To: Thud
An Intelligence War ping!
17 posted on 04/13/2003 10:09:52 AM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: MinuteGal
Quote taken from http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/892266/posts today:

Adel Darwish, an author who has written extensively about the Middle East, said it is crucial either to find Mr. Hussein's body, if he is dead, or to capture him and put him on trial so that his crimes would be revealed in an open court. Only then, Mr. Darwish said, would Arabs sympathetic to Mr. Hussein understand the barbarity of his regime.

"It's very important to his legacy because that would demystify him," Mr. Darwish said, describing Mr. Hussein as one of the world's last Soviet-style rulers.

18 posted on 04/13/2003 11:19:22 AM PDT by DED (Liberals Never Learn. *LNL*)
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To: MadIvan
>>>It wasn't a failure to not catch Osama. It's difficult to catch someone who has vapourised from a Daisy Cutter. <<<

Perhaps all you could catch is a wiff!

19 posted on 04/13/2003 11:25:09 AM PDT by HardStarboard
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To: DED
I agree with Mr. Darwish to a point. It IS critical to find Saddam's corpse or at least some pieces for DNA testing.

However, after that, the gentleman and I part company. For a multitude of reasons, I would not care to see the cunning Mr. O. J. Saddam on the stand in a protracted trial.

I personally believe he's dead. I look forward to war crimes trials for his top lieutenants and any remaining sons.

If the Butcher's body or spare parts can't be found, my preference is that he be tried in absentia on world-wide TV. His horrors could then be exposed by witnesses for all doubters to see.

Leni

20 posted on 04/13/2003 1:16:44 PM PDT by MinuteGal (THIS JUST IN ! Astonishing fare reduction for FReeps Ahoy Cruise! Check it out, pronto!)
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