Genetic evidence links Jews to their ancient tribe

Jerusalem Post (originally) ^ | November 20, 2002 | Judy Siegel

[Spirited]

If you are interested in American Indians you might also find the book, "America B.C." by Harvard Professor Barry Fell a good read. Archealogy has progressed beyond that now but it still is a reasonable basis for interesting study.

[billbears]

All 12 tribes were the the tribes of Isreal-including the ones remaining.

LOL!! Won't answer the question, huh?

Here it is again in case you missed it...

A) Are the Jewish people today in Israel the same Jewish people of the old Testament (God's Chosen People) AND
B) if they are do they have a right to the land and a homeland that God promised them?

[TEXOKIE]

interesting thread bump

[billbears]

Now that everything is accomplished the law can disappear.

Better not tell Paul that!!

Romans 3
31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

Or if you prefer Wycliffe

Romans 5
31 Destroy we therefore the law by faith? God forbid [Far be it]; but we stablish the law.

Doesn't matter, all the versions say the same. By your argument, the Ten Commandments are null and void since they were in the Old Testament. The law exists with some changes. Do we sacrifice bulls, cows, and whatnot? No, because Christ was the Final Sacrifice for our sins.

[Destro]

To be honest I did not kow that is what you were asking-I thought you had questions in regards to the history of the matter.

On a theological basis?

A) Yes, they are the same by and large based on the DNA testing as for being God's Chosen people the answer is no to a Christian because the resurrection of Christ sealed a new covenant (Muslims think this too as far as I can tell). To Jews of course that point is moot.

B) Again, if you are a Christian the answer is that the old covenant no longer exists. Also as a secularist the Jewish people have a right to private property but just because an individual owns land it does not imply Israeli sovereignty follows him.

[Spirited]

"God is a job description not a name. You can write G-O-D and not burn in hellfire.

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24

Never heard of a job description being "a spirit".

Why should my choice to honor G-d in whatever way I choose make you think that that choice is borne of a fear of burning in hellfire? I actually prefer to use the name Yah or Abba or Father or Lord, etc.

[Destro]

It is stunning how the lack of authority in the Protestant faith has allowed what was accepted Orthodoxy since the Apostles to mutate to suite everyone's interpretations.

You take passages concerning "law" out of context. If you could not understand such a simple paragraph then I fear you will have trouble understanding the whole.

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

Romans 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

To stress the point that the old covenant is no longer in governance:

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

[Destro]

See, John did not mind writting "Theos" and he left out no letter. Don't invent or follow conventions the Church Fathers did not hold.

[Destro]

God is a job description, spirit is a description of form. Isn't God's proper name "I AM"?

His FBI file would read:

Name: I AM

Occupation: God

Appearance: Unknown type of spirit. Warning! Face to face appearance can cause death. Avoid direct eye contact.

[ALS]

bingo!

[Asher]

"Again, if you are a Christian the answer is that the old covenant no longer exists"

This is the old lie which caused two thousand years of vicious anti-Semitism and which culminated in the Holocaust.

As far as I have understood this is no longer accepted theology by the main churches including Rome. I certainly hope so; you have done more than enough damage to the Jewish people.

And, as usual, you have all totally misrepresented the meaning of "chosen." It's chosen as in "light unto nations" and not the Jews have special privileges. And we Jews believe that there are many routes to G-d, unlike numerous other bigots I could name.

[Destro]

There is ZERO DNA linkage and ZERO cultural linkage to the Indo-European peoples that populated Europe and the lost tribes of Israel and execpt indirectly until the Christian missionaries came along-rather late in history too.

[Destro]

I agree that the meaning of Chosen is as in "light unto nations", etc.

And yes orthodox Christianity (small 'o') does say that the old covenant is no longer the one in force. That is why Christians call their books "The New Testament".

The holocaust incidentally was fueled by Nazi obsession over genetics and not theology.

[Destro]

Since I agree with your definition of chosen, scratch me off your "royal" "you have all" list.

[Just mythoughts]

This is what you have been taught and what you believe.

"Required", no, nobody is going to force you to study them in this life, but knowing what they foretell will certainly give one understanding of what is to be.

We are told "I have foretold you all things".

Moses wrote the song described in Revelation that the overcomers would be singing.

Before a word of the New Testment was ever Written
Christ continually asked the question "Have you not read"?

Not even Christ took a break from the Old Testment, nor did any of the other Writers of the New Testment.

[Just mythoughts]

"Indo-European", you have said the Old Testment is not required reading yet you make statements based upon what?


Where exactly did the apostles go when they left Jerusalem?

Where did John take Mary the mother of Christ?

Have you done the DNA test to make such statements?

What exactly was promised to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and then to each of the 12. Again since you don't know the Old Testment you have no basis to make such statements.

Who was it that saw fit for the common man to have a Bible so each individual could read for themselves? After all Christ became our Priest and it is through Him each individual was given the "RIGHT" to approach our Heavenly Father.

The book of James, written by the brother of Christ, believed to have been the earliest of the New Testment writings starts out with

James 1:1 James a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

This writing is to believed to have been written before Jerusalem Council of about A.D. 45.

[Just mythoughts]

"The New Testament came about the old covenant was turned null and void." This is not truth. It is Written that Christ came not to change one jot or tittle of the law.

Since you don't know what the old covenant says prove that from what the Scripture says not what man says.

[Just mythoughts]

You ignore any and all of the Written Word, but since you yourself are following "man" you stand on quicksand.

"hayseed religion" words like these sound familiar of one who knows nothing of hay, or seed.

[Just mythoughts]

I have not read this book, but I have heard of Professor Fell.

So much to learn and seems like so little time.

Thanks for the information.

[Just mythoughts]

Very good post. Prophecy yet to happen for that binding has not yet happened and it will not be man that does the binding.

The parable of the "fig" tree is like an inset of happenings prior to Ezekiel being fulfilled.