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Thune holds off on recount (chad checking a possibility)
Rapid City (SD) Journal ^ | 11-07-02 | Denise Ross

Posted on 11/07/2002 12:56:40 PM PST by jwalburg

Narrowly defeated Republican Senate candidate John Thune has postponed a decision about whether to call for a recount after unofficial vote returns showed him losing to incumbent Democrat Tim Johnson by less than two-fifths of a percentage point.

Thune, South Dakota's three-term congressman, said he will await the outcome of the official statewide vote canvass on Tuesday, Nov. 12, to see whether Johnson's 528-vote lead erodes.

"The numbers are in, and we came up a little bit short. I don't anticipate a change," Thune said when he addressed reporters early Wednesday afternoon. "We'll wait and see."

State law allows for a recount if the margin is within one-fourth of 1 percent. Thune would have until Friday, Nov. 15, to request a recount.

The final tally was 167,477 votes for Johnson and 166,949 for Thune. Libertarian Kurt Evans, who had dropped out of the race, drew 3,071 votes.

Thune, 41, and Johnson, 55, watched see-saw returns roll in throughout the night as counting was held up by equipment problems in two counties and other precincts simply took all or most of the night to count votes.

By 2 a.m., Thune held a fairly commanding lead of more than 3,000 votes.

By sunrise, Johnson had made up the ground and edged ahead.

"At about 3 in the morning, I went back and got about an hour's worth of sleep," Johnson said. "It was not looking as good as I would have liked. Our lead had completely eroded away. We also knew which precincts were left and knew John's lead wasn't insurmountable."

Johnson's wife, Barb, woke him to tell him the gap had narrowed to about 500 votes, he said. "I could see not much room for error," he said.

Counties have until Friday, Nov. 8, to tally each precinct total into a countywide total. Secretary of state officials will add county totals to arrive at an official statewide total Tuesday. Any recount would convene with a three-member recount board in each county on Monday, Nov. 25.

Although Thune said he doesn't expect things to change and won't pursue a formal recount unless "absolutely necessary," he stopped short of conceding the race and said he's keeping his options open.

"We're hoping for a math error," Thune said. "I can't say at this point I'm ruling out any option."

Thune called Johnson on Wednesday morning to congratulate him on his apparent victory.

"He said he did want to take a look at the canvass, and I respect that," Johnson said. "He has every right to do that. We agreed the likelihood of there being a 500-vote problem in a canvass isn't very high."

In addition to a recount, a variety of legal challenges are possible, although no specific situations were publicly in play by Wednesday afternoon. State law sets a Monday, Nov. 18, deadline for someone to legally contest the election results.

On Tuesday, the Todd County auditor asked a judge for an injunction to delay the counting of votes due to confusion over which hours the polls were to be open. However, the judge denied the request, and the votes were counted, Secretary of State-elect Chris Nelson said.

"End of story," Nelson said.

Nelson, the state's longtime elections supervisor, said he knew of no other reports of voting irregularities beyond a few unfounded rumors floating around Wednesday.

Democratic officials were aware of a few dozen voters from Pine Ridge who might have been denied the right to vote, but they ran out of time Tuesday to locate copies of the would-be voters' registration cards, a spokeswoman said.

It was the vote from Shannon County - where returns were completely unavailable until after 2 a.m. - that helped Johnson squeak through. Democrats launched massive voter-registration and get-out-the-vote efforts statewide and concentrated on South Dakota's Indian reservations, where voters lean heavily Democratic. On Tuesday, 2,856 Pine Ridge Indian Reservation voters in Shannon County, 92 percent, cast votes for Johnson.

"This was a major step forward for the native vote in this state. But when you win by 500 votes, everybody can take some credit for it," Johnson said. "We work every county in the state hard. We wrung every vote out that we could."

Thune, too, recognized the record level of campaign volunteers and high voter turnout.

"We saw literally thousands of people get involved in the political process that never have been involved before," Thune said.

Thune will decide next week whether any as-yet-unformed county recount boards get involved.

If a recount is requested, the presiding judges in South Dakota's seven state-court circuits would appoint a three-member recount board for each of the counties in their purview, Nelson said. Under state law, each board would consist of one Republican, one Democrat and an attorney belonging to the political party that carried that county in the 1998 governor's race.

The boards would convene Monday, Nov. 25, and have no deadline to complete their work. Board members would examine each ballot physically, looking for an official ballot stamp and any irregularities. State law spells out how to identify and handle various kinds of disputed ballots, he said. The law sets up a two-person resolution board to examine ballots that machines have trouble counting, he said.

The group would decide whether to count the ballots by hand or, in the case of optical-scan and punch-card ballots, by machine, Nelson said.

Work could take weeks in the state's largest counties, where only three people would do all the work. In Pennington County, 35,976 ballots were cast; in Minnehaha County, 65,538.

"Those folks will have a large job," Nelson said.

A recount for one of South Dakota's federal offices is not unprecedented. The three most recent examples each had a Democrat narrowly defeating a Republican.

In 1978, then-Congressman Tom Daschle defeated Leo Thorsness, ultimately by 139 votes, in the state's former first congressional district in eastern South Dakota. Daschle took his seat in the U.S. House while awaiting the results of the recount.

In 1962, Sen. George McGovern narrowly defeated Joe Bottum, and Bottum alleged voting irregularities. The Rapid City Journal quoted him as noting "registrations at the polls of persons not qualified to vote." Bottum referred to construction workers working at Ellsworth Air Force Base who did not meet the state's one-year residency requirement.

In that recount, hundreds of ballots ended up changing in both directions.

In 1937, Democrat Clair Roddewig defeated Republican Sterling Clark by 376 votes.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: ballots; election; evans; johnson; johnthune; kurtevans; libertarian; recount; thune; timjohnson
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To: pgkdan
See my post 99 why I think Thune would probably be toast if he went up against Daschole in 2004.
101 posted on 11/07/2002 9:30:32 PM PST by Post Toasties
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To: jwalburg
According to the Secretary of State web site, the election totals were as follows:

Senate: 337497
House: 336616
Governor: 334545

Doesn't that seem odd to you?

102 posted on 11/07/2002 10:00:31 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: jwalburg
FREEP!

Please write to the Thune Campaign and urge them to demand a full recount and investigation.

email: info@johnthune.com
Web site contact form: http://www.johnthune.com/Contact.asp
telephone: 605-339-4838
NRSC: http://www.nrsc.org/nrscweb/feedback/

My own email to Thune campaign...
To: info@johnthune.com

Dear Rep. Thune and senatorial campaign:

Considering the examples of voter fraud, marking ballots, burned absentee ballots, etc. in South Dakota, I urge you
to demand a full recount and investigation.

With all due respect, this is not about you. This is not about your sense of humility.

This is about justice. It is also about critical policies for our nation and the political power required to enact them.

Please honor those who have legitimately voted for you, by standing up for your election.

Regards,
Arlen Williams
http://www.unspun.info
_________________________________________________________
Also, links to Federal Election Commission and DOJ:

http://www.fec.gov/
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/misc/contact.htm
103 posted on 11/07/2002 11:29:21 PM PST by unspun
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To: scannell
What is with all these Liberatarian votes that look like they cost Thune the election. Does anyone have the capacity to think up there?

The libertarian votes are an issue of concern indeed because they represent a fundamentally irrational action that cost a Republican this seat. Be careful about bringing up that news around here though. You may find yourself surrounded by a small crowd of rabid libertarians, every one of them screaming down your throat about how Thune's narrow loss was the fault of everybody BUT them.

104 posted on 11/07/2002 11:50:22 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: Republic of Texas
Don't start, the Libertarians are HAPPY that they helped elect a socialist.

Sadly that appears to be the case. The losertarian response to this one has been generally self-contradictory so far. Mention that Thune lost by their vote margin and they'll likely respond by desparately trying to convince you that Thune lost due to everything BUT the libertarians. Seconds later you'll see the same losertarians declaring that maybe Thune would have won if he'd listen to their ideas, and citing his victory as a deserved consequence of not pandering to them - a virtual admission of exactly what they just claimed not to be the case. Some of these people are beyond help, and I say this as a libertarian-minded GOPer from the Ron Paul wing of the party.

105 posted on 11/07/2002 11:56:38 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: Post Toasties; cherry
I'm not saying Thune and the Republicans should do nothing. I'm saying they need to do it in the right way.

What we need here is some strategery. Everybody though Bush should have went into Afghanistan on Sept. 12, 2001 with guns blazing. He didn't. He was patient, he gathered evidence, he took time to find the right way to go in, he gave the Taliban more than enough opportunities to give up. When they didn't, he could say to the world "Hey we tried our best to resolve this peacefully, now we have no choice but to take them down."

That's the kind of thinking we need in South Dakota. Investigate this quietly and thouroughly, leaving no stone unturned. Find so much evidence that there's NO WAY anyone, not even the people on the Reservation, can doubt that Johnson and the Democratic Party cheated. Show the Indians how they were used, show them the Democrats don't really give a s**t about them, and show the Rinos who voted for Johnson what kind of man they really supported. Show them that Thune was cheated big time, but that he was gracious in defeat.

If they can do that, I think Thune and the Republicans will clean Daschle's clock in 2004, even on the Rez.
106 posted on 11/08/2002 5:45:14 AM PST by tamikamaria
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To: tamikamaria
It appears Daschole was rubbing it in about the Senatorial spot the 'Rats probably stole from Thune at his just completed press conference, calling it a 'success story'.

Is Thune going to take that lying down? I certainly hope not.

107 posted on 11/08/2002 8:57:30 AM PST by Post Toasties
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To: MrPeanut
Let's let the demholes kepp the seat if they let us beat up Daschle.
108 posted on 11/08/2002 9:05:14 AM PST by wny
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To: Post Toasties
I hope not either. If Daschle and Johnson are stupid enough to keep bragging about this election and the fraud is proven and exposed, they will have signed their own death warrants. What could be sweeter than that?

I hope you don't think I want Thune to give up. I don't. I think he was cheated, there's just not enough proof right now. When they do have the evidence, I hope they crush Johnson, Daschle and the SD Dems.
109 posted on 11/08/2002 9:16:18 AM PST by tamikamaria
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To: goody2shooz
One ringy-pingy!
110 posted on 11/10/2002 10:56:12 PM PST by goody2shooz
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