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NC House rejects lottery referendum
The News & Observer, ^ | Sept. 17, 2002 | GARY D. ROBERTSON

Posted on 09/17/2002 1:57:13 PM PDT by jern

RALEIGH, N.C. - North Carolina House rejected a state lottery advisory referendum for November.

Lottery supporters pushed the referendum this week as time wound down to get it on the Nov. 5 ballot. Election officials have said they needed the question approved this week to be able to print it on absentee ballots.

It wasn't immediately clear whether the lottery issue was dead for the rest of the year or whether it would be revived for another year.

The proposed legislation asked voters Nov. 5 to check yes or no to the question on whether to have an "Education Lottery." The proceeds would go to programs to help at-risk 4-year-olds and to reduce class sizes, the question read.

The bill was an advisory referendum, meaning the results wouldn't be binding on legislators. The General Assembly would still have to approve a lottery game for it to become a reality, possibly next year.

"It clearly sends a message that you can get something for nothing, that for a dollar or two you can win a jackpot," House Minority Leader Leo Daughtry, R-Johnston, said of the referendum. "It is not the right thing to do."

North Carolina is one of 12 states without a lottery - the only one on the East Coast - but residents have been playing the numbers game for more than a decade in surrounding states.

Rep. Fran Preston, R-Carteret, said she changed her mind and decided to oppose the lottery after looking at other lottery states. She cited a Connecticut study showing women in the state report gambling problems nearly as often as men.

"I have been collecting data for 10 years, and the more I accumulate the less I'm inclined to support a lottery," Preston said.

North Carolinians are projected to spend more than $200 million this year on lottery tickets in Georgia, Virginia and South Carolina, according to one study.

Easley wants a lottery to expand his education initiatives. Estimates have a North Carolina lottery generating $250 million to $400 million in net proceeds annually.

South Carolina started a lottery this year, leaving Tennessee - which has a referendum on its November ballot - as the only neighboring state without one.

Anti-lottery forces have been calling legislators this summer urging them to oppose a referendum. Opponents have included the Rev. Billy Graham and former UNC basketball player Dean Smith.

Lottery proponents have run television ads, depicting a "Bubba" behind the counter of a convenience store where South Carolina lottery tickets are sold. Rep. Richard Morgan, R-Moore, took a shot at the ads in his legislative campaign before last week's primaries.

"That character doesn't care about education in North Carolina. He probably doesn't care about children," Morgan said. "That Bubba can keep the lottery in South Carolina."

House Democratic leaders rolled out a compromise $14.3 billion budget proposal Monday night that would have included a lottery referendum. But Speaker Jim Black decided Tuesday to separate the referendum from the budget.

Several legislators were uneasy with placing the referendum in the state's spending plan through next June, pointing out that it was in neither the House nor the Senate version of the budget passed earlier in the summer.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: democrats; lastchance; lottery; northcarolina; oldnorthstate
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1 posted on 09/17/2002 1:57:13 PM PDT by jern
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To: mykdsmom; Constitution Day
mykdsmom; Constitution Day
2 posted on 09/17/2002 1:57:51 PM PDT by jern
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To: jern
I like Walter William's view. FOR the lottery because its a tax on poor people. Largly poor(er) folks play the lottery. They don't pay taxes. They should pay taxes. The lottery is a way for them to pay their taxes. That simple.
3 posted on 09/17/2002 2:01:17 PM PDT by Swanks
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To: jern
Bump!
4 posted on 09/17/2002 2:02:00 PM PDT by callisto
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To: jern
Done.
5 posted on 09/17/2002 2:03:33 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: *Old_North_State; **North_Carolina; mykdsmom; Lee'sGhost; KOZ.; borntodiefree; azhenfud; ...
Lottery ping!

I won't be back on this thread till much later... going out for a birthday dinner with Mrs. CD.

6 posted on 09/17/2002 2:04:25 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
Have a good birthday!
7 posted on 09/17/2002 2:11:12 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: jern
NC House rejects lottery referendum

Good move! Lottery for education funds is a joke.

8 posted on 09/17/2002 2:18:09 PM PDT by Luke FReeman
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To: jern
Does this mean fewer Dimocrats will show up to vote in November?
9 posted on 09/17/2002 2:20:40 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Swanks
" like Walter William's view. FOR the lottery because its a tax on poor people. Largly poor(er) folks play the lottery. They don't pay taxes. They should pay taxes. The lottery is a way for them to pay their taxes. That simple."

Rush isn't joking when he says that what we really need is a tax increase on the poor. They're the only ones that don't pay taxes.

As for the lottery - the moral argument befuddles me. Why should we put government in the position of regulating morality. As conservatives, we should be for individual freedom - and that includes the freedom to lavish a few bucks on the occasional lottery ticket if we so choose. I've never understood the Conservative argument that since a lottery is gambling, we should prohibit it. That puts us in the hypocritical position of making nanny decisions for El Publico. That's supposed to be the exact OPPOSITE of what we're all about.

Michael

10 posted on 09/17/2002 2:21:20 PM PDT by Wright is right!
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To: Overtaxed
Does this mean fewer Dimocrats will show up to vote in November?

Yes. NPR had a story on the NC lottery a few weeks ago. The dems really wanted it on the ballot because they thought that it would bring a lot of uneducated people to vote (ie, likely to vote democrat).

11 posted on 09/17/2002 2:25:49 PM PDT by far sider
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To: Overtaxed
I don't know about "fewer", but more of them would have came out if it was up for vote.
12 posted on 09/17/2002 2:27:11 PM PDT by jern
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To: Swanks
Walter Williams always has the most original take on economic issues, doesn't he? As far a legislature voting down a lottery proposal to send to voters, that is rare indeed. Most legislators are salivating at the prospect of getting more money from any sources to spend on their pet project to "buy" the uninformed voters' support. Liberal Ann W. Richards pushed through a lottery in TX in 1991, and it is very popular. However, it did not help Richards win reelection in 1994, when she was surprised by what the Democrats called "The Shrub."
13 posted on 09/17/2002 2:29:39 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: callisto
Good news.
14 posted on 09/17/2002 2:36:02 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: jern
I don't know about "fewer", but more of them would have came out if it was up for vote.

Eh! Close enough. :)

BTW, Dean Smith didn't play basketball at UNC

15 posted on 09/17/2002 2:37:34 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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Gov. Easley's Response To Lottery Vote

POSTED: 5:04 p.m. EDT September 17, 2002
UPDATED: 5:09 p.m. EDT September 17, 2002
The following is a statement from Gov. Mike Easley on Tuesday's defeat of the lottery referendum legislation:

"It is unbelievable that the legislature would deny the people of this state the right to vote on a lottery. This means that legislators have to cut an additional $70 million out of the state budget at a time when we are trying to meet the demands of a growing school-age population. I commend those members who did vote in favor of an education lottery and demonstrated that they are realistic about the budgetary and education challenges facing our state. I hope that those members who voted against the bill will now offer an alternative solution since they have refused to offer any viable solution for the past two years."



16 posted on 09/17/2002 2:41:39 PM PDT by jern
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To: jern
WAHHA!!! Weasley's nothing but a big cry-baby.
17 posted on 09/17/2002 2:44:25 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Wright is right!
Were our Founding Father's Nannys?

I am sick and tired of the idiotic claim that "We can't legislate morality." Some stinkin hippie somewhere thought up a cute saying and everyone now repeates it as the gospel. THE FACT IS, ALL LAWS LEGISLATE MORALITY.

Our Founders had more laws protecting morality than people now could even imagine.

Pornography and Blasphemy were banned. Homosexuality, Adultery, and Fornication were all capital crimes.

So were Washington, Madison, Hamilton and the other founders "Nannys"?

Don't believe me that the founders thought that morality was most important??

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"Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand. John Adams

"The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure, than they have it now, they may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty." John Adams

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams

"Religion and virtue are the only foundations, not only of all free government, but of social felicity under all governments and in all the combinations of human society." John Adams

"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity. John Quincy Adams

"From the day of the Declaration...they (the American people) were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of The Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledge as the rules of their conduct." John Quincy Adams

"Man, considered as a creature, must necessarily be subject to the laws of his Creator, for he is entirely a dependent being....And, consequently, as man depends absolutely upon his Maker for everything, it is necessary that he should in all points conform to his Maker's will...this will of his Maker is called the law of nature. These laws laid down by God are the eternal immutable laws of good and evil...This law of nature dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this... Sir William Blackstone

"Blasphemy against the Almighty is denying his being or providence, or uttering contumelious reproaches on our Savior Christ. It is punished, at common law by fine and imprisonment, for Christianity is part of the laws of the land. Sir William Blackstone

"The preservation of Christianity as a national religion is abstracted from its own intrinsic truth, of the utmost consequence to the civil state, which a single instance will sufficiently demonstrate. Sir William Blackstone

"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man. Alexander Hamilton

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." Patrick Henry

"The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed." Patrick Henry

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom." Patrick Henry

"It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." Patrick Henry

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers. John Jay

"Religion is the only solid basis of good morals; therefore education should teach the precepts of religion, and the duties of man toward God." Gouverneur Morris

"If thou wouldst rule well, thou must rule for God, and to do that, thou must be ruled by him....Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." William Penn

"By removing the Bible from schools we would be wasting so much time and money in punishing criminals and so little pains to prevent crime. Take the Bible out of our schools and there would be an explosion in crime." Benjamin Rush

As we can see here, our founders did not endorse or embrace libertarianism in the least. Our Founders understood that laws must reflect Almighty God's Moral Precepts.

Libertarianism is a religion of self indulgence and hedonism. It teaches that the person can decide for himself what is right and wrong, and has to answer to no one.

It is humanistic to the core.

Libertarians believe abortion, homosexuality, fornication, adultery, sexual perversions, prostitution, drug use, gambling ect... are all things that should be practiced and enjoyed.

They hate and despise authority, and they blame government and laws for their problems.

GOD MAKES LAW. MAN's LAW MUST REFLECT GOD'S LAW.

Our Founders understood this principle. They had laws that protected the moral fabric of our nation, because they understood that a good nation must have morality. They took it for granted that the people were moral, that is why the constitution worked.

The hippies of the 1960's were not moral, their immoral/ammoral lifestyle is incompatable with the constitution.

If our founders had only known what we have become, they would have drafted a much different constitution.

Way back in 1815, The Pennsylvania Supreme Court decided an important case, here are excerpts from that case: It reflects the case law of the day, and the attitude on which our nation was founded.)

This court is...invested with power to punish not only open violations of decency and morality, but also whatever secretly tends to undermine the principles of society... Whatever tends to the destruction of morality, in general, may be punishable criminally. Crimes are public offenses, not because they are perpetrated publically, but because their effect is to injure the public. Buglary, though done in secret, is a public offense; and secretly destroying fences is indictable.

Hence it follows, that an offense may be punishable, if in it's nature and by it's example, it tends to the corruption or morals; although it not be committed in public.

Although every immoral act, such as lying, ect... is not indictable, yet where the offense charged is destructive of morality in general...it is punishable at common law. The destruction of morality renders the power of government invalid...

No man is permitted to corrupt the morals of the people, secret poision cannot be thus desseminated.

Remember:

"It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains."

18 posted on 09/17/2002 2:44:44 PM PDT by FF578
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To: FF578
Remind me not to invite you to my next party. That rant was enough to exhaust 2 Altoids and still smell like onions.

Michael

19 posted on 09/17/2002 2:51:33 PM PDT by Wright is right!
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To: jern
"That Bubba can keep the lottery in South Carolina."


Up until last year, those of us in SC were subsidizing Georgia education by buying their ticks. Now we have the money staying in the state and the good people of NC helping us out. Due to the lottery in SC, all technical colleges reduced tuition in half, and for B and A students at all universities, scholarships were increased from $1500 to $2500. Yes, please let SC keep the lottery.....
20 posted on 09/17/2002 2:59:51 PM PDT by doosee
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