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Who said this well-known quote? (Vanity of vanities)
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Posted on 09/04/2002 4:45:15 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner

There's a quote that almost everyone who pays attention to politics knows. It goes something like this:
If you aren't a liberal by age 20, you have no heart. If you are still a liberal by age 30, you have no brain.
I have most often heard that quote attributed to Winston Churchill. But I have reason to believe that it was NOT a Churchill quote. For one thing, Michael Medved, whose attention to such details I greatly respect, credited someone else (a German, I think, but now I can't remember who). Furthermore, I've dug through a couple of quote search websites and read through pages of Churchill quotes without coming across this one.

Can anyone identify who the originator of this quote is? If so, please try and provide some evidence.

Thanks!



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1 posted on 09/04/2002 4:45:15 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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To: Mr. Mulliner
I know who it is, but you'll be plenty disappointed when you find out...

I'll be back in 2 hours to post it if someone doesn't before...

2 posted on 09/04/2002 4:46:56 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander
I gotta wait 2 hours? Oh well, it's bugged me for a lot longer than that.
4 posted on 09/04/2002 4:49:10 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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To: one_particular_harbour
I wouldn't mind at all if it is Churchill as long as I can have some evidence because 1) I like the quote, and 2) I'm related (some way) to Churchill.
5 posted on 09/04/2002 4:51:54 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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To: Mr. Mulliner
Winston Churchill.org says the following:

"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain." There is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this. Paul Addison of Edinburgh University makes this comment: "Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35! and would he have talked so disrespectfully of Clemmie, who is generally thought to have been a lifelong Liberal?

For what it's worth...

6 posted on 09/04/2002 4:58:29 PM PDT by JennysCool
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If you aren't a liberal by age 20, you have no heart. If you are still a liberal by age 30, you have no brain.The way I heard is:

"If you are a liberal by age 20, you have no heart. If you are still a liberal by age 30, you have no brain.

Therefore my source for the quote will be different than yours ;-)

7 posted on 09/04/2002 5:01:21 PM PDT by varon
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Churchill did say, however

"This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Speech given at the Lord Mayor's Luncheon, Mansion House, London, November 10, 1942.

Which is perhaps appropriate as we reach the Sept. 11 anniversary and prepare for the next step in the war.

8 posted on 09/04/2002 5:01:30 PM PDT by JennysCool
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To: JennysCool
Well that's a pretty good start. Thanks for that info.

I wish I could remember who Michael Medved said it was that first said this. If you know him, you know he's known as the guy with the "encyclopedic mind."

9 posted on 09/04/2002 5:01:38 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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To: varon
That's definitely different than every version I've heard. I've heard several variants, many of them attributed to Churchill, but I haven't seen that one anywhere.
10 posted on 09/04/2002 5:02:56 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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If you aren't a liberal by age 20, you have no heart.
If you are still a liberal by age 30, you have no brain.

Ted Nugent? :-)
11 posted on 09/04/2002 5:05:13 PM PDT by GirlShortstop
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To: varon
How about, "If you are a liberal when you're 20, you have no brain; if you're still a liberal when you're 30, you're even stupider than we thought."
12 posted on 09/04/2002 5:06:01 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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To: Mr. Mulliner
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5952/unquote.html
13 posted on 09/04/2002 5:06:31 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: GirlShortstop
Ted Nugent? :-)

Why not?

14 posted on 09/04/2002 5:07:10 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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,,, I was under the impression that saying was one of George Bernard Shaw's.
15 posted on 09/04/2002 5:09:41 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Bogey78O
Wow! That is fascinating! For those who didn't click on the link, I'll paste the last paragraph to summarize.
The earliest known version of this observation is attributed to mid-nineteenth century historian and statesman François Guizot:
Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart;
to be one at 30 is proof of want of head.
Variations on this theme were later attributed to Disraeli, Shaw, Churchill, and Bertrand Russell. (I misquoted Churchill to this effect for years.)

16 posted on 09/04/2002 5:12:06 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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To: one_particular_harbour
Use this rule of thumb -- whatever Churchill didn't say Mark Twain did. (That's a joke.)
17 posted on 09/04/2002 5:12:27 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: GirlShortstop
Ted Nugent? :-)

No, no, no, it was George Carlin! LOL!

18 posted on 09/04/2002 5:12:46 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater
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To: shaggy eel
I was under the impression that saying was one of George Bernard Shaw's.

You're weren't alone. Click on the link above and see who else has been credited with this quote.

19 posted on 09/04/2002 5:12:58 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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To: Bogey78O
Guess we'll have to wait for JerseyHighlander to come back and tell us since he "knows."
20 posted on 09/04/2002 5:16:48 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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