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Ice "Oceans" found on Mars
BBC News - Science and Technology (Linked via DRUDGE REPORT) ^ | Monday, 27 May, 2002, 09:31 GMT 10:31 UK | By Dr David Whitehouse - BBC News Online science editor

Posted on 05/27/2002 8:58:45 AM PDT by vannrox


The findings were made by the Mars Odyssey spacecraft.


Ice reservoirs found on Mars


By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor



Water-ice has been found in vast quantities just below the surface across great swathes of the planet Mars.


The finding by the American space agency (Nasa) is undoubtedly one of the most important made about the Red Planet.


It solves one of its deepest mysteries, points the way for manned exploration and reignites the question of whether life may exist on the planet.


Insiders suggest that, partly as a result of this finding, Nasa may now commit itself to a manned landing within 20 years.


Where the water went




The US space agency will make the dramatic announcement about the water-ice next Thursday. And full disclosure of the findings will come in the journal Science later that day.


The discovery was made by the Mars Odyssey spacecraft, which has been gathering data since late last year.


It confirms early observations that also pointed to enormous reservoirs of ice just below the surface.


This finding will answer a question that has puzzled Mars researchers for decades: many lines of evidence suggest that the Red Planet was water-rich in the past, so where did all that water go?


The answer appears to be that it is in the regolith - the layer of loose rock and dust on the surface.


Mars Odyssey has been returning high-quality data about Mars' surface composition.



Ice shows up blue on the gamma-ray spectrometer.


The spacecraft contains an instrument called a gamma-ray spectrometer that looks for gamma-rays (high-energy light) with a specific signature showing that they come from hydrogen less than one metre (three feet) beneath the Martian surface.


Astronomers believe that the hydrogen is locked up in crystals of ice.


Moon discovery




The same design of instrument was used on the Lunar Prospector spacecraft that discovered ice in the shadowed regions of the Moon's poles in 1998.


Also on board Mars Odyssey is a neutron spectrometer that registers evidence for underground ice in the same regions of the planet.


Researchers were amazed at the strength of the signal of the ice. They had expected to take a year to gather enough evidence but managed to do so in just a few weeks.


They announced preliminary findings in March but now have good data confirming large amounts of the water-ice just beneath the surface south of 60 degrees latitude.


Researchers suspect the same to be true of the northern hemisphere, but cannot make the appropriate observations until later this year due to the Martian winter in the north.



The discovery may indicate areas on Mars where scientists can search for life forms




Nasa scientists were scheduled to hold a major news conference on Thursday when they would say that their earlier findings had been confirmed and extended. But this may be brought forward after a British newspaper leaked the news.


Look for life




The dramatic discovery may also guide the selection of future landing and exploration sites on Mars, and may suggest areas to look for evidence of past life.


The presence of such a vast amount of ice - if it were to melt it could cover the planet in an ocean at least 500 metres deep (1,640 feet) - will change profoundly the direction of future exploration.


Although landing probes are planned - the European Beagle 2 and Nasa's twin Mars rovers next year - neither are targeted at the region where the ice may exist.


The Mars Polar Lander was to touch down in exactly the right spot in 1999 and would have undoubtedly detected the ice had it not malfunctioned on the way down.


Having water just below the surface will be an enormous boon to astronauts on Mars.


Water is essential for life, so the discovery enhances the belief that Mars could have had life in the past and perhaps in the present as well.


Because of this, bringing a sample of the ice and rock back to Earth by an unmanned sample return probe will become a top priority.


BBC News Online will report the full technical details of the Odyssey discovery when they appear in the journal Science on Thursday.





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To: Balto_Boy
Odyssey is orbit around Mars so none of the samples could come from direct sampling. The 3 instruments are:

THEMIS: The Thermal Emission Imaging System is a camera that images Mars in the visible and infrared parts of the spectrum in order to determine the distribution of minerals on the surface of Mars.

GRS: The Gamma Ray Spectrometer uses the gamma-ray part of the spectrum to look for the presence of 20 elements from the periodic table (e.g., carbon, silicon, iron, magnesium, etc.). Its neutron detectors look for water and ice in the soil by measuring neutrons.

MARIE: The Martian Radiation Experiment is designed to measure the radiation environment of Mars using an energetic particle spectrometer.


21 posted on 05/27/2002 10:16:25 AM PDT by callisto
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To: vannrox
Are they saying their instruments detect water or do they detect hydrogen which is a component of water? Hydrogen could be bound to any number of elements besides oxygen. Let's make them be honest.
22 posted on 05/27/2002 10:20:56 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Balto_Boy
"Do these instruments use different methods or the same, and do any of them test actual samples?"

Remote spectroscopy is just as valid as taking samples.

"I would agree, except the findings are being reported along side a call to go to Mars. Not that I'm opposed to exploration, but let's do it for the right reasons, IE. to see what's there, not to pour money into trying to prove the theory of life on Mars."

The major SHORT-TERM importance of the findings means that any exploration can be done far less expensively (fuel for the return trip can be generated on-site instead of having to be carried along, as well as the oxygen needed for the stay). Longer-term, the presence of water means that colonization is possible.

23 posted on 05/27/2002 10:21:30 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Balto_Boy; nightdriver
Balto_Boy: The Planetary Society conducted a survey for NASA concerning the public's priorities in space. Excerpt below:
In the two weeks that the questionnaire was posted on the Society's website, over 50,000 people weighed in with their opinions. For many of the questions, those opinions vary widely, but a few definite favorites did emerge.

"More than 90% of survey respondents ranked exploration of Mars among the top five mission priorities for NASA, thus outpacing all other Solar System mission categories" said Bruce Betts, Director of Projects at The Planetary Society

nightdriver: I believe the initial results reported from Odyssey in February cited the abundance of Hydrogen. This week should report "water ice" which implies that Oxygen should be there also underground.
24 posted on 05/27/2002 10:24:14 AM PDT by callisto
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To: Reeses
Re: Maybe we should land an SUV there and just let it idle. :)

ROFL ! funniest thing I've read today. Thanks !

25 posted on 05/27/2002 10:26:47 AM PDT by ChadGore
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To: Exnihilo
The Chinese will need it when they get there...
26 posted on 05/27/2002 10:27:34 AM PDT by null and void
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To: BradyLS
Mars NEEDS our industrial by products... a massive atmosphere of "greenhouse" gasses to moderate and warm the planets surface to the melting point of ice.

a few bunker busters could speed things up by opening up the planets crust, perhaps triggering volcanic eruptions of ash and magma that would raise the temperature a degree or two a year... acts of "terraforming" so to speak.

Bubble colonies could be set up there to smelt Iron, and exotic metals, using the ice as a coolant, and the gaseous byproducts could be dumped first of all, into the bubbles, so they would support plant growth and oxygen generation... and then as things get "balanced" in the bubble, or bubbles, the area outside the bubbles could be flooded with massive emisisons of carbon dioxide as well.

It could become a manufacturing planet, with a penal colony there for environmentalists, who want ot keep their NEW HOME pristine and unspoilt by mankind. They could protect the environment there, by moving OUTSIDE THE BUBBLES...

just speculating of course.

27 posted on 05/27/2002 10:35:15 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: *space
Check the Bump List folders for articles related to and descriptions of the above topic(s) or for other topics of interest.
28 posted on 05/27/2002 10:36:01 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: vannrox
An interesting note of difference between Malin Space Science Systems and the Mars Odyssey team.

On MGS's Weekly Weather report for May 7, 2002.

Malin shows the "Erosion of North Polar Layers and Genesis of nearby Sand Dunes" and summarizes with The new views of the martian north polar cap obtained in 1999 and 2001 suggest that it may not contain as much water ice as previously believed. Indeed, the amount of ice may be as little as half of what was once thought.

Quite different from the latest revelations.

29 posted on 05/27/2002 10:38:04 AM PDT by callisto
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To: callisto
Your point to me is?????
30 posted on 05/27/2002 10:39:45 AM PDT by Balto_Boy
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To: BradyLS
I saw that. If true, why doesn't it anyway? What conditions need to be met to create a state of earth-like oceans on Mars?

How about temperatures warmer than the freezing point of water?
31 posted on 05/27/2002 10:40:24 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Wonder Warthog
Not that I'm opposed to exploration, but let's do it for the right reasons, IE. to see what's there, not to pour money into trying to prove the theory of life on Mars."

Not that I'm opposed to eating, but let's do it for the right reasons, IE. to keep our bodies alive, not to waste money trying to enjoy the taste of the food.
32 posted on 05/27/2002 10:43:34 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Balto_Boy
I posted my reply to 1/2 of what you commented on and hit the "post" button too soon. My next reply to you was in repsonse to your comment on missions to Mars. What I was showing you is that manned missions to Mars aren't just thrown into the mix by only NASA everytime. Before reviewing and redesigning NASA's priorities earlier this year they asked the American public. The public that responded wants man to go to Mars.
33 posted on 05/27/2002 10:46:54 AM PDT by callisto
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To: aruanan
First, that comment was posted by me, not WW, and second, what is your point?!?
34 posted on 05/27/2002 10:47:20 AM PDT by Balto_Boy
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To: demlosers
An asteriod hit could have thrown up sufficient material to cool Mars. This is the hypothesis for the dinosaur extinction 65 Million Years ago.

Arnold found the Martian machine to terraform the planet and those gigantic, molten, metal rods released the O2 into the atmosphere. Arnolds eyes did not pop!

So we terrraform and build an outlet valve for our planet. Notwothsatnding the previous post about the Prof Steiner who was submitting a proposal to the National Space Society this past weekend for designating the moon, mars, actually the entire heaven as a "World Heritage site"!

HACCCH PATOOEY!

35 posted on 05/27/2002 10:48:15 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Exnihilo
What's so exciting, exactly? Oooh! Water on mars! Big deal. Book-mark this link. Return to it after the probe takes ice samples. Quote me: They will not find any traces of life. Watch.

Why are you so certain they will find no sign of life? Where in the bible did it state we were the only place life exists? They have found life in the depths of ocean vents and in deep core samples from oil wells all over the world. Why not on planets too? Maybe God put them there for us to have dominion over them too, as soon as we figure out how to get there.

36 posted on 05/27/2002 10:51:40 AM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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To: Balto_Boy
First, that comment was posted by me, not WW, and second, what is your point?!?

I'm mildly curious myself.

(but only mildly, since I doubt that there was a point)

38 posted on 05/27/2002 11:02:35 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: callisto
Since I have stated my support for exploration, you don't need to sell me on that. I just find that calling for a manned mission to Mars on the heals of this discovery to be a little suspect. IMHO, unmanned craft exploring the region would probably be a more workable solution in the near future anyway.
39 posted on 05/27/2002 11:03:06 AM PDT by Balto_Boy
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To: Young Werther
...Prof Steiner who was submitting a proposal to the National Space Society this past weekend for designating the moon, mars, actually the entire heaven as a "World Heritage site"!
HACCCH PATOOEY!

No need to worry. "HACCCH PATOOEY" is what’s going to happen to people in the end with their silly leftist ideas. Off-world economic expansion is an eventuality.

40 posted on 05/27/2002 11:06:58 AM PDT by demlosers
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