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French told to shrug off Gallic myth
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 04/01/2002 | Adam Sage

Posted on 03/31/2002 3:17:14 PM PST by Pokey78

THE French identity is based on an historical nonsense, according to an academic who says that the Gauls were a fiction invented by the Romans and exploited by French revolutionaries after 1789.

Christian Goudineau, Professor of History at the respected Collège de France, says in a new book, Par Toutatis, that the Gallic people never existed and that contemporary symbols are figments of the popular imagination.

Take, for example, the cock that always accompanies French rugby supporters to Twickenham. M Goudineau claims that the bird is not the Gallic emblem that France believes it to be. In fact, it was an insult thrown at Philippe Auguste, the 12th-century French King, by English scholars who wanted to ridicule him by comparing him to a rooster.

According to the book, which debunks the myth that the French are descended from the happy-go-lucky people embodied by Asterix, it was the Romans who did most to falsify French history. The professor, considered to be one of the country’s most eminent historians, says that when the Romans marched into what is today called France they encountered a disparate array of peoples.

It was Julius Caesar who gave the name of Gaul to the territories he had conquered, drawing an arbitrary boundary between France and Germany. In their quest for glory, the Romans depicted their enemies as warlike, courageous and uncontrollable, an image that retains its force in France today. Yet many, according to M Goudineau, had done deals with Caesar and put up little or no fight.

His book, named after the Celtic god Toutatis, is significant because it attacks the legend that forms the basis of the modern French state. Schoolbooks, for instance, peddled the idea that France was a single geographical and cultural entity. They also perpetuated the widely held belief that the French character derived from two sources: the undisciplined but likeable Gauls and the rational, centralised administration imposed on them by the Romans.

Such ideas are false, M Goudineau says, yet they permeate all levels of French society. President Chirac, for example, had accumulated failure upon failure during his term of office, but remained popular because his roots were seen to be deep in the Gallic myth: a healthy appetite for food, alcohol and women, a strong sense of humour and an ability to resist in adversity.

Until Caesar, Gaul had been a term used to describe most of continental Europe, from the Atlantic coast to Hungary, according to M Goudineau. Caesar’s version gained credence after the French Revolution, when the country’s leaders sought to unite a nation that had lost the cementing factor of royalty.

M Goudineau says that, despite the academic accuracy of his research, his compatriots are unlikely to abandon a myth driven by two centuries of propaganda. He points, for instance, to the untainted halo that hangs over Vercingetorix, the warrior who led a revolt against Caesar in 52BC. To the French, Vercingetorix is a founding father who placed himself at the head of a Gallic army.

M Goudineau says that he was the leader of the Arvernes, who were one among a “mosaic of peoples” in what is now France.


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1 posted on 03/31/2002 3:17:14 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Yet many, according to M Goudineau, had done deals with Caesar and put up little or no fight.

LOL!!! Would that be those in and around Vichy? Wonder if Caesar's Conquests talks about the natural inclination of the French to give up.

2 posted on 03/31/2002 3:21:51 PM PST by LBGA
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To: Pokey78
"It was Julius Caesar who gave the name of Gaul to the territories he had conquered, drawing an arbitrary boundary between France and Germany. In their quest for glory, the Romans depicted their enemies as warlike, courageous and uncontrollable, an image that retains its force in France today. Yet many, according to M Goudineau, had done deals with Caesar and put up little or no fight."

In a related development, the eminent scholar BigCheese also noted: "D*mn! The more things change, the more things stay the same"

3 posted on 03/31/2002 3:22:36 PM PST by bigcheese
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To: Pokey78
Gaul-Lump
4 posted on 03/31/2002 3:23:38 PM PST by Spirited
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To: bigcheese
Is there a French-are-dumb*sses index list? If there is, I'd like to be added to it, please!
5 posted on 03/31/2002 3:24:44 PM PST by bigcheese
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To: Pokey78
Yet many, according to M Goudineau, had done deals with Caesar and put up little or no fight.

Yep, that sure sounds like the French that we've come to know and love!

6 posted on 03/31/2002 3:25:43 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: bigcheese
Is there a French-are-dumb*sses index list?

That or a *Euro-trash bump list would be good to have.

7 posted on 03/31/2002 3:27:16 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Well, my sis is Swiss (say that a hundred times) and I cannot be too hard on *all* europeans. Then again, the Swiss are not quite like the rest of the continent.
8 posted on 03/31/2002 3:30:37 PM PST by bigcheese
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To: Pokey78
. M Goudineau claims that the bird is not the Gallic emblem that France believes it to be. In fact, it was an insult

Sacre bleu, mon ami, you are nothing but a soiled rooster!

9 posted on 03/31/2002 3:31:51 PM PST by curmudgeonII
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To: Pokey78
Asterix Le Gaulois.
10 posted on 03/31/2002 3:32:24 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Pokey78
What the hell..........I'll cut 'em some slack. They may have engaged in backsliding since, but right after 9/11 the French united in backing our country. I may have my gripes with them, but I'll never forget that show of support and solidarity.

God bless 'em.

11 posted on 03/31/2002 3:39:50 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Pokey78
Next, Christian Goudineau will be demanding reparations for the embarrassment being called Gallic has wrought...so he will be suing Italy...or Rome, Georgia, USA.
12 posted on 03/31/2002 3:51:46 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: bigcheese
omnes gallia in tres partes divisa est
13 posted on 03/31/2002 3:55:09 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Pokey78;all
The French response to Christian Goudineau, just in from the AP!
14 posted on 03/31/2002 3:56:08 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: TomGuy
Goudineau might just be a Commie looking to take his own country, people, and culture down a peg. As for the French in WWII.... well, losing a war makes a country re-examine it's doctrines more closely then winning one does, right?
15 posted on 03/31/2002 3:57:14 PM PST by Jason Kauppinen
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To: Pokey78
THE French identity is based on an historical nonsense, according to an academic who says that the Gauls were a fiction invented by the Romans and exploited by French revolutionaries after 1789.

Strange, this man clearly never saw the Asterix!

16 posted on 03/31/2002 3:57:29 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: Pokey78
...but remained popular because his roots were seen to be deep in the Gallic myth: a healthy appetite for food, alcohol and women.

Whatever the history, it's a mistake to say these characteristics are myth. If they weren't true 2000 years ago, there sure are now, and they are the principle redeeming characteristics of the French.

17 posted on 03/31/2002 3:58:29 PM PST by mlo
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To: Pokey78
Good and interesting post. Thank you. Only the French would feel good about in being enslaved and murdered by the Romans.
18 posted on 03/31/2002 4:02:39 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: TEXASPROUD; hinckley buzzard
Gallii numquam sunt omnius divisum in pars tres.

How's that?

19 posted on 03/31/2002 4:13:04 PM PST by cornelis
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To: hinckley buzzard
uh.... yeah. and stuff.

I recognize the 'tres', which is a partial title of maybe the only other french export then french fries that is worth a d*mn.(/sarcasm)
20 posted on 03/31/2002 4:15:27 PM PST by bigcheese
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