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Christianity, War & America
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| 10/10/01
| Thomas G. West
Posted on 10/10/2001 6:27:30 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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A long read, but worth it. Several good points are made by Dr. West
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posted on
10/10/2001 6:27:30 PM PDT
by
L,TOWM
(Liberals, The Other White Meat)
To: L,TOWM
The rest of this essay is
HERE
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posted on
10/10/2001 6:30:23 PM PDT
by
L,TOWM
To: Uriel1975;Aske15:Prodigal Daughter;Kevin Curry;Cultural Jihad
For your perusal.
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posted on
10/10/2001 6:32:39 PM PDT
by
L,TOWM
To: Manny Festo;sinkspur;BibChr;Radio Astronomer;Thinkin' Gal;Alas
Grab a cup and enjoy the read...
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posted on
10/10/2001 6:36:24 PM PDT
by
L,TOWM
To: Mercuria;AnnaZ;StoneColdGOP;DoughtyOne;gc4nra;sixstring;Lady Jenn
So Cal Bump.
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posted on
10/10/2001 6:38:33 PM PDT
by
L,TOWM
To: OWK;Storm Orphan;Sakic;one particular harbor;appy pappy
You may find some interesting points in this rather long read.
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posted on
10/10/2001 6:43:02 PM PDT
by
L,TOWM
To: L,TOWM
When someone, let's say Islam, which includes a billion people more or less, declares war on you, a reasonable person would conclude that you are at war whether you want to be or not. So let's grease them ASAP. If there are moral and philosophical questions in the aftermath, these can be discussed later when this bunch of terrorist garbage is in the pig's trough where it belongs.
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posted on
10/10/2001 6:44:40 PM PDT
by
mathurine
To: L,TOWM
Thank you for the flag.
Two disagreements I have with the author; using the Bible as its own dictionary confirms that the Bible says Thou Shalt Not Murder. When the distinction isn't made between killing and murdering, people suppose Christianity is about pacifism. Second complaint I have for the author: could we stop using calling Allah God? Allah is not God.
Other than that, I skimmed the article (for more detailed reading later) and thought it was very good.
To: L,TOWM
On Tuesday, September 11, a small band of brave and fanatical men murdered more than 6,000 Americans. You suggest we read someone who begins his piece by stating that these fanatically obsessed, delusional cultists were "brave?" My thanks to this writer for letting me know up front that his material is confused and unnecessary.
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posted on
10/10/2001 6:52:02 PM PDT
by
unspun
To: Prodigal Daughter
I agree; a look at a good concordance or hebrew interlinear gives the correct translation. It is unfortunate that the KJV did drop the ball ocaisionally...
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posted on
10/10/2001 6:55:36 PM PDT
by
L,TOWM
To: Prodigal Daughter
Actually, "Allah" has the same root (and may actually be pronounced the same, I'm thinking) as a Hebrew word for God, as written in the OT. If the false prophesy that brought about Islam used the Skandanavian-rooted word "God," it wouldn't make any difference.
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posted on
10/10/2001 6:55:40 PM PDT
by
unspun
To: unspun
You suggest we read someone who begins his piece by stating that these fanatically obsessed, delusional cultists were "brave?" My thanks to this writer for letting me know up front that his material is confused and unnecessary.I am not too sure of your point. If he had referred to the conduct of French or Italian soldiers in WWII as being "brave", then I would agree with you about the label "confused". My great uncle, a Marine in the Big One, made several disparaging remarks about the Japanese he fought against, but always added that they were brave men (often to the point of being foolhardy).
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posted on
10/10/2001 7:01:16 PM PDT
by
L,TOWM
To: unspun
I believe the Hebrew word signifying God's name translates as YAHWEH, which has been mistranslated as Jehovah. The Hebrews were so concerned that they not say God's name in vain that they usually just show the letters YHWH, won't even pronounce it. I don't know if that's anywhere near the Islamic roots of the word, but the Arabs and the Hebrews are brothers, as they have a common father in Abraham. At any rate, there is a big difference between YAHWEH and Allah, and it isn't just language....
To: L,TOWM
To be brave, one must have a grasp for what he is involved in --the danger and harm. These men decided to undergo what amounts to brainwashing (perhaps systematically) so that they believed they were simply improving their lot, dying in "Jihad."
Another example would be Jim Jones killing his followers and himself. He was not brave.
Bravery requires having a sense of reality. It is also not usually a word that would describe mass murderers, nor suicide victims.
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posted on
10/10/2001 7:09:22 PM PDT
by
unspun
To: nobdysfool
See: http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=allah
There you'll find:
Al·lah (l, äl)
n.
God, especially in Islam.
[Arabic Allh : al-, the + ilh, god; see l in Semitic Roots.
In Hebrew, the syllables "Yah" (Yahweh) and "El" (Elohim) are used alternatively. It's not the consonants and vowels that make a difference, it's the definition. A Bible translator translating in to Arabic dialects would be correct to use "Allah," where the same have used "God" in English. It's not the letters and pronunciation, it's the Allah.
Blessings in the name of Y'shua, "the Word made flesh," for all.
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posted on
10/10/2001 7:22:23 PM PDT
by
unspun
To: L,TOWM
If, in the end, it boils down to the question of turning the other cheek, or following the interpretation "thou shalt not kill" then in the end this may be precisely why your God allows one to sin, but then ask forgiveness.
We are, after all, only human, my friend.
Only one, by your lights, has been perfect.
And he forgives. Godspeed.
To: unspun
OK, I can deal with that.
The reality of these people being at war with us is what I believe the author was trying to convey. Part of their delusion (IMHO) is that the are "soldiers" in some kind of a justifiable war. Understand, the will to perform acts like this make for some dangerous opponnents; I think it would not serve us well to dismiss them as being a bunch rifle dropping, mass surrendering pansies like the WWII Italians.
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posted on
10/10/2001 7:50:38 PM PDT
by
L,TOWM
To: Storm Orphan
Dr. West actually makes the case that waging war and even engaging in some judicious cheerleading, in this case is not sinful.
Much in the same way that some of the Colonial Pastors urged their congregations to take up arms and "kill" for their liberty.
Augustine, Aquinas, Calvin, and Luther (among others) have tackled this issue much better than I could. Christ himself urged his disciples to get swords, even if they needed to sell their cloaks to buy them the night before he was crucified. (Luke 22:36) In a fallen and sinful world, force is sometimes the only solution; indeed, the one MORAL response to pure, murderous, and irrational EVIL.
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posted on
10/10/2001 8:00:41 PM PDT
by
L,TOWM
To: unspun
Blessings in the name of Y'shua, "the Word made flesh," for all.Worth repeating and screaming from the mountaintops.
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posted on
10/10/2001 8:02:56 PM PDT
by
L,TOWM
To: L,TOWM
So long as that force is used in self-defense and not initiated.
So says this "Ego," if you know what I mean.
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