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Illegal Immigrant Can Carry Guns: Federal Judge
Epoch Times ^ | 03/18/2024 | Zachary Steiber

Posted on 03/18/2024 10:18:27 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SuperLuminal
Thank you for having the good sense to understand the extension of this stupid ruling and some of the equally stupid statements by some in this forum in this regard. When will people understand that only citizens have legal rights under the former Constitution? The only thing we "owe" illegals is moral and ethical treatment. After that, they have no Constitutional rights.

Here is one for you. I was reading the Social Security guide last night. If you are a felon your social security payments are suspended. If you have been arrested and charged, your social security payments are suspended in some cases. Not convicted mind you, just arrested and charged.

60 years or so ago we were taught that felons lose many of their rights including the right to vote. Guess that was wrong?

81 posted on 03/19/2024 12:19:41 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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To: SeekAndFind

The right to “self-defense” is an inalienable right that governments and states CANNOT abridge; thats the entire sticking point for the Left about the 1st and 2nd Amendments

It is a GOOD ruling-for individual rights-as well as placing the state where it should be

The ruling forces states to respond to
the iterests and concerns of their constituent. It does mean ILLEGAL ALIENS should be arrested and dealth with according to the law interms of deportation and or naturalization


82 posted on 03/19/2024 12:24:29 PM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sharon. Sharon. Sharon. Making a mockery out of the judicial system as Democrats do.


83 posted on 03/19/2024 12:47:43 PM PDT by From The Deer Stand (Mply)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Yes, “our” God given rights. U.S. citizen’s God given rights.

OUR Constitution only governs U.S. citizens not every person in the world.
The Forever Wars/Make Every Country a Democracy crowd would probably like to read it that way.


84 posted on 03/19/2024 5:33:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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To: Magnum44

That is pretty much how I see it. See post #84.

If the Constitution was intended to protect God given rights universally it would mean protecting them for all human beings globally not just ours. That is certainly a ridiculous idea.


85 posted on 03/19/2024 5:37:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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To: TigersEye
Well...there is section 1 of the 14th amendment (which I detest);

...nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Since the word "citizen" is used in the beginning of section 1, it would seem that "person" was used purposely in the section I posted above.

86 posted on 03/20/2024 4:51:12 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (The Truth is like a lion. You don't need to defend it. Let it loose and it woill defend itself.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
...nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

It is a complicated legal question.

To your specific point my counter argument would be that the section you quote elucidates specific rights that shall not be abridged but does not extend to the broad scope of rights that most citizens enjoy.

I say "most" because there are exceptions even for citizens such as the limitations on minors, those on felons, those with mental and/or physical disabilities etc.

In this case I would argue that illegal aliens, by virtue of their hostile presence in our jurisdiction, enjoy those basic rights enumerated above in the 14th A. but very little more. They are handicapped by a complete absence of legal standing to be in U.S. jurisdiction at all.

I know there is legal precedent for legal aliens to purchase and possess firearms but I am not aware that such exists in regard to illegal aliens. There may be.

They are entitled to the equal protection of the law but the question is does the law allow the possession of a firearm by someone who violated the sanctity of our jurisdiction in the first place? Someone whose very presence is a direct violation of the boundaries of said jurisdiction?

87 posted on 03/20/2024 9:11:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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Agreed. But I would have liked to have seen the word 'person' replaced with 'citizen'.

It's sort of a "Starship Troops" kind of a thing. Citizen vs. civilian.

88 posted on 03/21/2024 7:06:09 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (The Truth is like a lion. You don't need to defend it. Let it loose and it woill defend itself.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Yes indeed.


89 posted on 03/21/2024 7:31:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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To: TigersEye

not really. Right to defend ones self is inherent as a God created human. Some don’t have a constitution to protect those but they don’t need a constitution to protect them. It just might be more difficult depending on the despot or which form of government the person is living under. Anyway my state actually has a stronger constitutional guarantee.


90 posted on 03/22/2024 7:46:27 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: kvanbrunt2

Of course everyone in the world has the right.

The U.S. Constitution only applies to U.S. citizens and those in our jurisdiction legally.


91 posted on 03/22/2024 8:10:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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