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To: JonPreston

Merkel even admitted that the Minsk Accords were a total sham by the West from the get go. She admitted that no one in the West had any intention of honoring their word and that it was all a ruse to gain more time in order for NATO to arm the Ukes. The Russians won’t be so easily fooled by the West’s lies when they impose the settlement on the Ukes this time.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/22/ffci-d22.html


10 posted on 12/28/2023 8:07:33 AM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned
The Russians won’t be so easily fooled by the West’s lies when they impose the settlement on the Ukes this time.

I suspect that there won't be a whole lot of Ukes to impose a settlement on, after The Putin and The Shoigu get through with them.

23 posted on 12/28/2023 3:57:17 PM PST by kiryandil (The Biden: "Zelensky, we need to sit down and have a talk.")
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To: hardspunned

Well spun but actually Angela Merkel’s point was that it was so obvious from the get-go that Russia wouldn’t honor any agreement signed let alone give up its conquest ambition, it made sense to use the Minsk agreements to buy Ukraine time to defend itself.

So the agreement was seen as a sham by Europe.

The first Minsk agreement had one simple requirement on Russia - to withdraw its troops from Ukrainian land.

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/05/minsk-conundrum-western-policy-and-russias-war-eastern-ukraine-0/minsk-1-agreement

Putin IMMEDIATELY denied having any to withdraw. Which was ridiculous because we already knew Wagner was taking its orders directly from the Kremlin, and Girkin’s lot weren’t even hiding the fact they were Russians operating in Ukraine.

In fact every intelligence outfit on the planet monitoring the situation in Ukraine, INCLUDING the FSB from Donetsk, knew Putin was lying the second he denied having anyone in Ukraine to pull out.

You should take note that unlike the liar Putin, at least Merkel is consistent with her statements and isn’t proved to be a liar five minutes after coming out with a load of made-up bullshit.

Merkel vetoed Ukraine’s admission to Nato in Bucharest in 2008. She allowed Germany to be highly dependent on Russian gas. Most of Europe regards her as a bit of a Neville Chamberlain, too willing to give Putin far more latitiude than that mutt has ever earned.

but by 2014 even she was acutely aware that nothing was going to stop Russia attacking Ukraine again, because Putin was still signing agreements pledging to do something and then IMMEDIATELY breaking them and lying his lying ass off as he did so.

https://tass.com/world/1578901

“Then (in 2014 - TASS), in order to prevent even worse things, everyone signed this agreement. Was it possible to stop the war then? This question is no longer relevant. I believe that the Minsk agreements gave Ukraine more time to develop between 2014 and 2021. Now Ukraine can both make a response and also to get the necessary support”

Now you vranyo fellators can read whatever you like into that, but all it ACTUALLY says is, the war was frozen at best and Ukraine needed time to get support.

Lest you forget, by then the USA, UK, Russia, and even China, not to mention the entirety of the former Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact region, were party to multilateral agreements recognising Ukraine’s “independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity”.

Russia had absolutely no moral or legal reason to have a single pair of boots in Ukraine. Their retarded irrational and emotional arguments - that their eleven time zone country needs a load of buffer countries between it and a whole bunch of countries that aren’t even threatening Russia in any way / Russia needs to have an empire otherwise it’ll wither and die - has never been debated let alone integrated into any international treaty.

All along there wasn’t really another option but to set up a peace deal that Putin would inevitably break because he really is that kind of shite-hawk... but do so in a way that at least would give Ukraine a fighting chance.

“The West’s lies” are not lies. They are absolute truth. Putin’s the liar, and when he finally admitted that he had had Russian boots in Ukraine all along he proved Merkel right.


62 posted on 12/29/2023 8:32:50 AM PST by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe" - Holmes to Watson, A Scandal in Bohemia)
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