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The "Adversarial" Justice system needs to go
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Posted on 04/05/2023 5:39:31 AM PDT by ganeemead

In the news, our deeply flawed judicial system now threatens to make a jailbird out of Donald Trump....

In a totally rational world the job of District Attorney as it is known in America would not exist. NOBODY should ever have any sort of a career or money incentive for sending people to prison, much less for executing people. The job of District Attorney in America seems to involve almost limitless power and very little resembling accountability and granted there are good people who hold the job, the attraction which the job has for psychopaths is simply too great.

DA is often the first rung in the ladder of political careers and some of those careers are paved with the blood and shattered lives of innocents. Cases which are well known and easy to research on the internet include those of Janet Reno and her witch hunts, Scott Harshbarger, Mike Nifong, Martha Cloakley who almost became a US senator from Massachusetts, Ronnie Earle who managed to convict Tom Delay of being a Republican, that lunatic sheriff of Wenatchee Wa. who almost succeeded in having Wenatchee disincorporated when it could no longer buy insurance, the prosecutors in that hideous David Camm case in Indiana, the “Kids for Cash” judge and the prosecutors involved in that disaster in Scranton Pa., Angela Corey, Marilyn Mosby, and the list goes on.

What is actually needed is to scrap the adversarial system of justice and the job of DA altogether and adopt the inquisitorial system used in France in which the common incentive of all governmental parties involved in a criminal case is a determination of facts.

Taken from the list of needed reforms at:
https://bearfabrik.com/Misc/reforms.html

Please pass this one around.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy
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1 posted on 04/05/2023 5:39:31 AM PDT by ganeemead
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To: ganeemead

There are also ethical standards that all are supposed to abide by.

Gone today. But that was a check on the system.


2 posted on 04/05/2023 5:41:28 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they wacnto diese for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: ganeemead

The adversarial system is the lifeblood of the legal industry. Good luck getting lawyers to give up their golden goose.


3 posted on 04/05/2023 5:41:43 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: ganeemead

And DAs frequently become judges.


4 posted on 04/05/2023 5:42:53 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: ganeemead

And replace it with what? Pelosi’s idea, the Klingon model, where you are simply guilty by default?


5 posted on 04/05/2023 5:47:55 AM PDT by Reno89519 (I stand with Trump Against Political Persecution. As DeSantis Says, It Is Un-American.)
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To: ganeemead

The Dung Beetle Party is bringing down their own democrazy with their stunts and antics. Damn commies are always pulling some kind of BS on the ignorant and gullible part of the population living in this country. Weaponizing the justice system is the kind of crap the fascist Nazis and Commies pull.


6 posted on 04/05/2023 5:48:33 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time to indict the Dung Beetle Party's token affirmative action chubby cheeked shyster lawyer.)
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To: ganeemead

Oh, hell, no! I spent weeks in Barranquilla Columbia training the Colombian national police and military judge advocates in switching from their inquisitorial, eminently unfair system of justice to the adversarial system. There is virtually no right to see the evidence against the defendant until the case is on the judge’s desk, and it weighs heavily in favor of guilty until proven innocent.

Colonel, USAF JAGCR (Ret)


7 posted on 04/05/2023 5:49:57 AM PDT by jagusafr ( )
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To: ganeemead

“...the attraction which the job has for psychopaths is simply too great.”

Yes, psychopaths, sociopaths, are now being installed in these positions at sky-high rates, courtesy of George Soros and his billion$.


8 posted on 04/05/2023 5:58:53 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: ganeemead
Article is nonsense.

Professions like lawyer are supposed to be regulated by a centuries (millenia?) old ethic, and by laws as a distant second.

Don't blame the system when the fault lies in the corrupt individuals admitted to practice law.

9 posted on 04/05/2023 6:01:03 AM PDT by caddie (We must all become Trump, starting now!)
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To: ganeemead

not surprising this crap is posted by a Russian toadie

cuz Russia doesn’t really have any legal freedom under your dwarf dictator, does it?

(btw, the adversarial system was created by the Romans, and has worked for more than 2000 years ... don’t blame 1 out-of-control prosecutor)


10 posted on 04/05/2023 6:33:07 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: Reno89519

And replace it with what? Pelosi’s idea, the Klingon model, where you are simply guilty by default?

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THAT is exactly the aim of this weasel spin tripe article.

The presumption of innocence
till proven guilty

IS

The adversarial system of justice

The urinalist is just trying to use the negative sound of the word

” adversarial” to scare, agitate and con folks.

This

The adversarial system of justice is what sets murica apart from the rest of the world.

Everywhere else you have to prove innocence.

The inquisitorial system used in

the rest of the world

is guilty till

proven innocent.

That this urinalist thinks the
inquisitorial system is what we need must pine for the witch hunt and burning at the stake glory days.


11 posted on 04/05/2023 6:42:51 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: cuz1961

this urinalist that thinks the
inquisitorial system is what we need must pine for the witch hunt and burning at the stake glory days.


12 posted on 04/05/2023 6:52:38 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: ganeemead

Destroy the adversaries and win

That is the proper Adversarial outcome


13 posted on 04/05/2023 6:53:15 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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To: cuz1961
Everywhere else you have to prove innocence.

If you're going to rant in any cogent manner, perhaps you shouldn't drink and pick up some news every now and then.

smh

14 posted on 04/05/2023 7:07:15 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: canuck_conservative
So says the troll from the great white north.

btw, the adversarial system was created by the Romans, and has worked for more than 2000 years

And it will have worked for us for about 250 if they keep employing foreign trolls like you to distract the stupid while they ply their destructive changes to a perfectly sound document.

15 posted on 04/05/2023 7:10:31 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: cuz1961

We’d have to retain the idea of jury trials.


16 posted on 04/05/2023 7:23:11 AM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: hinckley buzzard
To paraphrase Churchill.....:

"It's a terrible system, but far better than all of the alternatives".

17 posted on 04/05/2023 7:37:06 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: logi_cal869

To: cuz1961
Everywhere else you have to prove innocence.
\/
If you’re going to rant in any cogent manner, perhaps you shouldn’t drink and pick up some news every now and then.
smh
14 posted on 4/5/2023, 7:07:15 AM by logi_cal869

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Progs and their smears , typical.

Where is presumption of innocence enshrined in a bill of rights ,,.?

UK may give lip service to the adversarial judicial system , but it’s not a enumerated right. It’s defacto prove your innocence.

Not
The
Same

But you knew that ,

but you couldn’t pass up slandering me with innuendo.

Typical prog ( in drag ?)


18 posted on 04/05/2023 4:23:56 PM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: cuz1961
Everywhere else you have to prove innocence.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Nancy Pelosi Blasted Over Statement That Trump Can 'Prove Innocence'

Trump was NOT the first case; his has just put the hypocrisy on public display. There are innumerous instances across the country.

My original comment stands.

19 posted on 04/05/2023 4:50:31 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: logi_cal869

Nancy Pelosi Blasted Over Statement That Trump Can ‘Prove Innocence’

Trump was NOT the first case; his has just put the hypocrisy on public display. There are innumerous instances across the country.

/

None of that has any bearing on what I posted.

Nancy is whacked, and wrong.
That doesn’t prove me wrong.

Yes , they are attempting to invert and change our judicial systems basic premise, yes it may All ready be defacto inquisition style.

None of that negates what I posted.

I think you must have been confused by my post.

( drinking early and accusing others of drinking early are you ? )

/\

My original comment stands.

\/

Whatever.


20 posted on 04/05/2023 5:02:22 PM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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