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Domestic Accusation Insufficient to Ban Rights Protected by the Second Amendment
AmmoLand ^ | February 7, 2023 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 02/10/2023 3:52:39 AM PST by marktwain

A three-judge panel on the Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit has ruled a mere restraining order is insufficient to ban rights protected by the Second Amendment.  The decision follows the long judicial practice in the United States. Fundamental constitutionally protected rights may not be removed without a criminal conviction in a court of law.

Restraining orders have the merest hint of due process. They are often granted without any representation on the part of the individual accused.  The utility of restraining orders and the removal of rights because of them have long been in doubt. Intimate partner homicides decreased sharply in the decades previous to 1996 when the federal law banning possession of firearms from those who were subject to a restraining order went into effect. Then, they leveled off.

The United States Supreme Court, in the Heller decision of 2008, affirmed the longstanding view of the Second Amendment as protecting an individual right, a view which had been ignored by Progressive judges in the appellate courts since 1941, where they either misinterpreted the Miller decision of 1939 or deliberately refused to follow it, as in the Cases decision in 1942.

The Supreme Court refused most Second Amendment cases from 2010 to 2022, allowing some appellate courts to concoct a convoluted scheme to render the Second Amendment irrelevant. In the Bruen decision of 2022, the Supreme Court reasserted its findings in Heller (2008), McDonald (2010), and Caetano (2016). The rights protected by the Second Amendment must be protected at the same level as the First Amendment.

The rights protected by the Second Amendment are not a second-class set of rights.

Bruen gave explicit instructions to the lower courts. Rights protected by the Second Amendment may only be infringed if those infringements were understood as acceptable when

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; domestic; restrainingorder
Restraining orders are not a sufficient cause to ban the exercise of fundamental, constitutionally protected rights.
1 posted on 02/10/2023 3:52:39 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Shouldn’t this apply to red flag laws ?


2 posted on 02/10/2023 3:58:06 AM PST by saturn
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To: saturn

DING! DING! DING!

We have a WINNER!!!


3 posted on 02/10/2023 3:59:28 AM PST by ExTxMarine
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To: saturn

Yes, it should.

L


4 posted on 02/10/2023 4:00:32 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: saturn

Pretty sure that’s next. With jurisprudence on our side, this should be a 9-0 decision in SCOTUS even though we all know that’s not going to happen.


5 posted on 02/10/2023 4:01:20 AM PST by rarestia (“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.” -Hamilton)
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To: marktwain

“And that’s me! My guys are still under a judicial mistrangement order... that blue thing I got from her! They could be exposing themselves!“


6 posted on 02/10/2023 4:01:52 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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To: Vaquero

LOL! One of the best movie lines of all time!


7 posted on 02/10/2023 4:04:17 AM PST by ExTxMarine
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To: marktwain
Fundamental constitutionally protected rights may not be removed without a criminal conviction in a court of law.

To be clear, that means you are innocent until proven guilty and you have a right to face your accuser.

I’m not sure why such little things have slipped through the cracks. /s

8 posted on 02/10/2023 4:10:32 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (Stupidly is a moral problem, not an intellectual problem. )
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To: ConservativeInPA
They have not "slipped through the cracks". They have been deliberately attacked.

One of the fundamental principles of Progressivism is the Constitution is old and outdated; modern government has to find ways to "work around" or interpret it.

Limits on government power are abhorrent to Progressive philosophy.

9 posted on 02/10/2023 4:15:14 AM PST by marktwain
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To: saturn
"Red Flag" laws are completely unnecessary and are clearly enacted as just another way for Rat Party politicians to infringe upon a citizen's 2nd Amendment rights.

Every state has "civil commitment" laws on the books. Those laws deal perfectly...effectively...with people who might be too unstable to possess a firearm.

10 posted on 02/10/2023 4:41:05 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (No Doubt Now: Stolen Election)
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To: saturn

“Shouldn’t this apply to red flag laws ?”

Yes.


11 posted on 02/10/2023 4:46:26 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE
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To: Gay State Conservative

tell that to Eyepatch McCain ...


12 posted on 02/10/2023 4:48:11 AM PST by bankwalker (Repeal the 19th ...)
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To: marktwain
They have not "slipped through the cracks". They have been deliberately attacked. One of the fundamental principles of Progressivism is the Constitution is old and outdated; modern government has to find ways to "work around" or interpret it. Limits on government power are abhorrent to Progressive philosophy.

"We used to suffer from crime, now we suffer from laws" Publius Cornelius Tacitus.


13 posted on 02/10/2023 5:24:41 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Delete FB, TWTR, GOOGL, AMZN, YHOO, Gmail/chrome. Use Gab, Brave + DDG, VPN, Freerepublic )
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To: marktwain

It’s about friggin time...
Common sense and all that


14 posted on 02/10/2023 5:46:47 AM PST by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: DCBryan1

“We used to suffer from criminals, now we suffer from lawyers” Bertus Maximus


15 posted on 02/10/2023 5:54:08 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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To: marktwain; mylife; Joe Brower; MaxMax; Randy Larsen; waterhill; Envisioning; AZ .44 MAG; umgud; ...

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This Ping List is for all news pertaining to infringes upon or victories for the 2nd Amendment.

FReepmail me if you want to be added to or deleted from the list.

More 2nd Amendment related articles on FR's Bang List.

16 posted on 02/10/2023 6:19:39 AM PST by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: marktwain

That’s why I’ve always refused to support red flag laws. There no due process for the accused before grabbing their guns!

It’s probably a law that’s designed to be abused


17 posted on 02/10/2023 6:51:30 AM PST by NWFree (Somebody has to say it 🤪)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Every state has "civil commitment" laws on the books.

I have been saying for years if you are not locked up, then you should have all of your rights - PERIOD!! That includes even if you have been convicted of a crime!

If you are such a threat to civil society that you can't be trusted with guns or ballots, then you should probably still be in prison/jail - PERIOD!!
18 posted on 02/10/2023 12:06:20 PM PST by ExTxMarine
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To: marktwain

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Good news! Restraining orders have not always been filed for honest reasons. For real efforts to decrease domestic violence, activists should focus more on drug abuse, alcoholism and antisocial behaviors.


19 posted on 02/10/2023 4:37:46 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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