Posted on 01/22/2023 8:39:42 PM PST by FarCenter
The hydrogen pipeline will bring "green" gas from the Iberian Peninsula to the rest of Europe. France, Portugal, and Spain previously agreed to build the pipeline, which should be operational by 2030.
https://p.dw.com/p/4MYzX Germany will join a new hydrogen pipeline project between Spain, Portugal and France, according to the Franco-German declaration on Sunday's 60th anniversary of the Elysee Treaty.
The project, called H2Med, will connect Portugal and Spain with France and now Germany to supply about 10% of the European Union's hydrogen demand by 2030.
The pipeline under the Mediterranean Sea will carry green hydrogen, made from water via electrolysis using renewable energy.
The Spanish government estimates H2Med will be able to supply some two million metric tons of hydrogen annually.
It comes as Europe scrambles to reduce dependence on Russian energy and shift from fossil fuels to cleaner energy.
“The pipeline under the Mediterranean Sea will carry green hydrogen, made from water via electrolysis using renewable energy.”
this is a pipe dream ... electrolysis is a very inefficient way to make hydrogen, and anybody can do it ... heck i did it in high school chemistry class ... so why is a pipeline needed? ... just make your own hydrogen right on the spot anywhere there is abundant water and “renewable” electricity ...
AND hydrogen is EXTREMELY reactive and EXTREMELY difficult to prevent from leaking since atomic hydrogen is EXTREMELY tiny ...
EXTREME reactivity and EXTREME difficulty in preventing leaks is clearly a disaster in the making ... assuming these fools ever manage to build any part of their hydrogen pipeline, i predict numerous and massive explosions in the future ...
Would it not be better to transmit the electricity and make the hydrogen near its point of use?
Don’t ask me why they would want to make hydrogen from electricity in large quantity.
Natural gas is as “green” as it comes. Idiots.
“..Idiots...”
^THIS^ explains everything.
Just put in some blimps. That’ll work.
Hydrogen?
How nice.
KA-BOOM!
*This* should end well. /s
Hydrogen is a bad idea. It requires a lot of energy to produce and involves the breakdown of water. The most precious commodity on the planet. Once the water is gone we are screwed.
We don't really know where water came from or how fast it is escaping into space, there hasn't really been a lot of study on the matter ( thank god or the politicians would have another yoke around our necks with that )
It will work, as long as they don’t try to land them in New Jersey. 😁😆🤗😅😀
Let's see, 2 million metric tons, 64.7 (roughly) kWh per kg to produce and compress hydrogen, carry the one... Hmm, so 129 bn kWh.
Let's see... Spanish grid. 258.60 bn kWh total.
Net import of 7 bn kWh/yr currently.
So literally half of all power in Spain as it exists today for this project. And somehow the renewables (of which wind is the largest at 27 bn kWh) will power this thing entirely.
That's going to be some hella expensive energy when Germany gets done building that much infrastructure within Spain JUST for the stuff that is supposed to go into the pipeline.
One month ago, we had the first ever energy positive test for nuclear fusion.
From memory, 2 mega-joules of laser input energy created 3 mega-joules of fusion output energy.
One problem...
From memory, it took 2,000 mega-joules of conventional energy to fire up dozens of lasers and deliver just 2 mega-joules into the fusion target!
Hydrogen is an energy storage media. It does not provide net energy. Electrolysis requires huge amounts of electricity to split water in those quantities. Where is the electricity for electrolysis coming from?
Greenies are so gullible.
Call me a genius. What if you bound hydrogen to carbon atoms and transported it that way? Solves all the density and reactivity problems. No cryo needed.
What, pray tell, do you suppose is produced by the combustion of hydrogen as a fuel?
Hydrogen is a poor storage medium, agreed. The rational seems to be that Portugal and Spain have periods when “renewable” energy generation exceeds demand. Hydrogen provides a means to store a recoverable fraction of that temporary local surplus.
“The rational seems to be that Portugal and Spain have periods when “renewable” energy generation exceeds demand. Hydrogen provides a means to store a recoverable fraction of that temporary local surplus.”
if that’s the case, wouldn’t it be less expensive, safer, more energy efficient, and more reliable to simply build electricity transmission lines with tried and true technology instead of converting electricity to hydrogen via electrolysis, transporting it by nearly impossible to build and dangerous hydrogen pipelines, and THEN burning the hydrogen at the delivery terminus?
That’s just the in the weeds technical details - think how much better everyone will feel!
I have not performed the trade study. I doubt they have either. But is it likely that Iberia has surplus energy at exactly the same moment that demand in Western Europe is also slack. There are probably better ways, such as pumped storage, which is used on a large scale already, but that leads to damn construction and other visible signs of the impact of “renewables”. You can bury a pipeline or keep it under water.
Ummm - natural gas is as “green” as it gets - I bet they wouldn’t be doing this if we hadn’t sabotaged the Russian pipelines...
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