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1 posted on 01/22/2023 8:39:42 PM PST by FarCenter
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“The pipeline under the Mediterranean Sea will carry green hydrogen, made from water via electrolysis using renewable energy.”

this is a pipe dream ... electrolysis is a very inefficient way to make hydrogen, and anybody can do it ... heck i did it in high school chemistry class ... so why is a pipeline needed? ... just make your own hydrogen right on the spot anywhere there is abundant water and “renewable” electricity ...

AND hydrogen is EXTREMELY reactive and EXTREMELY difficult to prevent from leaking since atomic hydrogen is EXTREMELY tiny ...

EXTREME reactivity and EXTREME difficulty in preventing leaks is clearly a disaster in the making ... assuming these fools ever manage to build any part of their hydrogen pipeline, i predict numerous and massive explosions in the future ...


2 posted on 01/22/2023 8:49:43 PM PST by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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Would it not be better to transmit the electricity and make the hydrogen near its point of use?

Don’t ask me why they would want to make hydrogen from electricity in large quantity.


3 posted on 01/22/2023 8:50:29 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: FarCenter

Natural gas is as “green” as it comes. Idiots.


4 posted on 01/22/2023 8:50:35 PM PST by montag813
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Just put in some blimps. That’ll work.


6 posted on 01/22/2023 9:12:48 PM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: FarCenter

Hydrogen?

How nice.

KA-BOOM!


7 posted on 01/22/2023 9:45:40 PM PST by miserare ( Impeach Joe Biden!)
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To: FarCenter

*This* should end well. /s


8 posted on 01/22/2023 9:52:42 PM PST by The Duke (Never Retreat, Never Surrender!)
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Green is code word for a racketeering scam

Hydrogen is a bad idea. It requires a lot of energy to produce and involves the breakdown of water. The most precious commodity on the planet. Once the water is gone we are screwed.

We don't really know where water came from or how fast it is escaping into space, there hasn't really been a lot of study on the matter ( thank god or the politicians would have another yoke around our necks with that )

9 posted on 01/22/2023 10:25:53 PM PST by KTM rider (what if a real J6 happens someday, instead of just a silly false flag show )
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Back of envelope math...

Let's see, 2 million metric tons, 64.7 (roughly) kWh per kg to produce and compress hydrogen, carry the one... Hmm, so 129 bn kWh.

Let's see... Spanish grid. 258.60 bn kWh total.

Net import of 7 bn kWh/yr currently.

So literally half of all power in Spain as it exists today for this project. And somehow the renewables (of which wind is the largest at 27 bn kWh) will power this thing entirely.

That's going to be some hella expensive energy when Germany gets done building that much infrastructure within Spain JUST for the stuff that is supposed to go into the pipeline.

11 posted on 01/22/2023 11:03:50 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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With current technology, this idea is absurd, and so is fusion.

One month ago, we had the first ever energy positive test for nuclear fusion.

From memory, 2 mega-joules of laser input energy created 3 mega-joules of fusion output energy.

One problem...

From memory, it took 2,000 mega-joules of conventional energy to fire up dozens of lasers and deliver just 2 mega-joules into the fusion target!

12 posted on 01/23/2023 1:16:29 AM PST by zeestephen (43,000)
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Hydrogen is an energy storage media. It does not provide net energy. Electrolysis requires huge amounts of electricity to split water in those quantities. Where is the electricity for electrolysis coming from?

Greenies are so gullible.


13 posted on 01/23/2023 3:36:41 AM PST by Hazwaste (Socialists are like slinkies. Only good for pushing down stairs.)
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To: FarCenter

Call me a genius. What if you bound hydrogen to carbon atoms and transported it that way? Solves all the density and reactivity problems. No cryo needed.


14 posted on 01/23/2023 3:45:25 AM PST by DaxtonBrown
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Ummm - natural gas is as “green” as it gets - I bet they wouldn’t be doing this if we hadn’t sabotaged the Russian pipelines...


20 posted on 01/23/2023 4:49:25 AM PST by trebb (So many fools - so little time...)
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I thought the Krauts learned all about hydrogen back there in zeppelin days.


22 posted on 01/23/2023 5:27:23 AM PST by GingisK
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The pipeline under the Mediterranean Sea will carry green hydrogen, made from water via electrolysis using renewable energy.
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Nope. Not buying it. If Italy can produce hydrogen using “renewable energy” then the countries on the other end of the pipeline can too. This pipeline has another purpose.


27 posted on 01/23/2023 6:51:07 AM PST by nagant
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Hmmm.......wondering how much energy (electrical?) is used/needed to make green hydrogen?

Anyone know?


28 posted on 01/23/2023 6:58:40 AM PST by Arlis
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To: FarCenter

Just like the new Knives Out movie. Interesting


31 posted on 01/23/2023 8:05:32 AM PST by shotgun
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