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Is Death Real? New Experiments Raise Important Questions On What It Means To Die
MSN ^ | 12-18-22 | Esther Landhuis

Posted on 12/18/2022 12:44:51 PM PST by Tired of Taxes

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Over the last 70 or so years, declaring death has gotten progressively messier. Scientific advances such as ventilators and life support have made it harder and harder to find the line between being a person and being a body. Now, mind-blowing experiments in pigs, and the development of a souped-up life-support system called OrganEx, are reinvigorating a decades-old debate about how our lives end.

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Yale neurobiologist Nenad Sestan researches genes that control how neurons grow and form connections in the developing brain. To perform these studies, he orders slices of tissue from brain banks around the world. Eight or nine years ago, a specimen from London missed the plane. The extra day it took to arrive was presumed to be catastrophic: Cells die after several minutes without oxygen. It’s one of the first things Sestan recalls learning in medical school.

But Sestan had already noticed that this wasn’t always the case. On several occasions, someone left a brain slab out a few extra hours before moving it into fluid for experiments, yet Sestan had still managed to recover living cells. So when the overdue brain arrived from London, Sestan asked one of his postdoctoral fellows to dissect a piece of it and let it grow in a petri dish containing cellular nutrients. “Maybe something will be there alive,” he said.

It worked; some cells grew. And then it worked again on a second brain the researchers sliced and recovered to make sure the results weren’t a fluke. Sestan started to wonder: If living cells could be preserved from a dead brain, why not try to revive the whole organ?

Using assorted pumps, heaters, and filters to circulate a custom-made blood substitute, Sestan and his coworkers cobbled together a now-patented perfusion system, which they called BrainEx.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: brain; chat; faithandphilosophy; nde; neardeathexperience; reincarnation
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For many years, brain death has been the criteria for declaring a patient dead.

But, what if a brain can be restarted?

1 posted on 12/18/2022 12:44:51 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

They’ll never figure it out by studying brains.


2 posted on 12/18/2022 12:45:47 PM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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When you die you become a being of light residing on the ethereal plane that reliably votes democrat


3 posted on 12/18/2022 12:48:15 PM PST by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imagination)
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I think the important question is “is life real?”


4 posted on 12/18/2022 12:48:31 PM PST by pricilla (one should always try to be smarter than the equipment one is operating - Amajato)
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To: Tired of Taxes

I’m sure Elon Musk has a chip ready to prove that death can be overturned.

How many would gladly take it?


5 posted on 12/18/2022 12:50:19 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Tired of Taxes

I died, left my physical body,crossed over to Heaven, and returned.

The scientists don’t understand consciousness and the physical attributes of the soul.

It’s all physical to me sin e I returned.

Where scientists miss the boat is in understanding frequencies of consciousness. Perception of reality is a function of the frequency of consciousness from which we view it.

This is the secret to understanding the mystics of all religions.


6 posted on 12/18/2022 12:50:50 PM PST by tired&retired (Blessings )
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On several occasions, someone left a brain slab out a few extra hours before moving it into fluid for experiments

If only they had followed the clear directions. Can't these scientists read?


7 posted on 12/18/2022 12:50:57 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (If you're not part of the solution, you're just scumming up the bottom of the beaker!0)
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To: Seruzawa

No they won’t. My son died last year. I knew he was dead when his three-year-old self came to me at night and said, “I love you, Mommy.” And then continued on his way.

As the Beatles sang decades ago, “Life goes on within you and without you.”


8 posted on 12/18/2022 12:52:12 PM PST by Veto! (FJB sucks rocks)
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To: Seruzawa

“They’ll never figure it out by studying brains.”

Yup—it is like thinking that if you take apart your computer you will find out where the Excel spreadsheet is....


9 posted on 12/18/2022 12:53:01 PM PST by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Abby..someone!


10 posted on 12/18/2022 12:55:45 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (No Doubt Now: Stolen Election)
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To: Tired of Taxes

https://neuwritesd.org/2019/06/13/brainex-restoring-brain-circulation-after-death/

Brainex patented

What does this mean for people?

This research importantly demonstrates that mammalian brains may have greater resilience to restrictions in blood and oxygen, given appropriate interventions, than we have previously appreciated. While we know that people lose consciousness seconds after blood flow to the brain is cut off, and that our brain’s main source of energy runs out within minutes, we may need to begin rethinking what we previously thought was an irreversible chain of events leading to permanent brain damage and death. This has huge implications for bridging the gap between basic research and clinical treatments. If we can study intact, functioning brains as a whole in the lab, perhaps we can better understand how the brain recovers after global anoxia or ischemia. This could allow us to better treat people who suffer from heart attacks or stroke, who may temporarily lose normal blood flow to the brain. Further, we could potentially use tools like this to study brain conditions such as neurodegenerative disease, which may involve impairments in neurovascular functioning. While this kind of technology still requires more testing and optimization, the possibilities are tremendously exciting!


11 posted on 12/18/2022 12:58:28 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

A cardiologist friend of mine in Denmark had many of the patients he resuscitated tell him about leaving their bodies. He did an extensive study, interviewing hundreds of these patients and found that 18% remembered an out of body experience after death.

His work was well done and published in the medical journal Lancet in 2001. His name is Pim van Lommel.


12 posted on 12/18/2022 12:58:44 PM PST by tired&retired (Blessings )
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But, what if a brain can be restarted?

Maybe they can try this on Joe Biden?

13 posted on 12/18/2022 1:00:04 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Tired of Taxes

Artificial intelligence cannot replicate the feminine emotional aspect of consciousness.


14 posted on 12/18/2022 1:03:00 PM PST by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: Tired of Taxes

This is where atheism gets you. No belief system, just a bunch of studies. A-holes


15 posted on 12/18/2022 1:03:46 PM PST by albie
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If living cells could be preserved from a dead brain, why not try to revive the whole organ?

How many cells in an organ of, say, three pounds?

16 posted on 12/18/2022 1:04:38 PM PST by Buttons12 ( Do you not think an Angel rides in the Whirlwind and directs this Storm?)
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To: Tired of Taxes

I remember this young lady. Michelle Malkin argued it was a medical kidnap attempt.


17 posted on 12/18/2022 1:04:50 PM PST by tunedin
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To: roadcat

I’ve restarted brains. The people told me they were over their body watching me work on them.

If you restart the heart, the brain can usually restart itself.


18 posted on 12/18/2022 1:05:38 PM PST by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: Tired of Taxes

But yet a child in the womb, who is coming into the world live is not considered as a person and therefore can be extinguished as if nothing. No need to pronounce dead, never alive, never a person.

But do sing to that baby, talk to the baby in the womb, they know it affects them.

How? If it was never a person?


19 posted on 12/18/2022 1:06:23 PM PST by Beowulf9
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One of his papers: https://joelvelasco.net/teaching/2300/van_lommel13-non_local_consciousness.pdf
20 posted on 12/18/2022 1:11:59 PM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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