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THE WASHINGTON POST: DeSantis reverses himself on coronavirus vaccines, moves to right of Trump
WaPo ^ | Dec 17 | By Isaac Arnsdorf

Posted on 12/17/2022 2:33:53 PM PST by RandFan

Early in the pandemic, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis repeatedly praised President Donald Trump for the expedited development and rollout of a coronavirus vaccine. The governor’s office pushed for $480 million in pandemic resources, including media campaigns promoting the shots, according to state budget documents. And DeSantis, a Republican, even lauded the Biden administration for helping to expand access to vaccines.

“We’re having more vaccine because of this, which is great,” DeSantis said of a federal program shipping shots to pharmacies in February 2021.

But this past week, DeSantis threw himself into misleadingly disparaging the vaccines, convening skeptics to buck guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and seeking to investigate vaccine makers for fraud.

“These companies have made a fortune off this federal government imposing or at least attempting to impose mandates, and a lot of false statements,” DeSantis said at the roundtable event on Wednesday. “I think people want the truth and I think people want accountability, so you need to have a thorough investigation into what’s happened with these shots.”

A review of DeSantis’s public positions on the vaccines shows a full reversal that has unfolded gradually since 2021, seizing on the shots’ waning efficacy against new virus variants and portraying evolving scientific advice as deliberate deceit.

The hard-line position he’s now staking out is taking on additional significance: DeSantis is widely seen as a potential presidential candidate in 2024, with many Republicans wanting him to challenge Trump for the GOP nomination and some seeing vaccines as a potential wedge issue to outflank the former president to his right.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: circularfiringsquad; desantis; isaacarnsdorf; personalitycult; trump
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To: Golden Eagle
"... his pride ..."

The sin of Pride is not just a gay thing.

61 posted on 12/17/2022 4:13:36 PM PST by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: dragnet2

Well, because enough evidence has come in. I love Trump & I will continue to support Trump, but he’s not looking at the evidence that keeps piling up that these shots are not “vaccines” at all. It’s an experiment upon the citizens of the world. It’s not Trump’s fault that these “vaccines” are so bad, it’s the fault of the developer’s and others who were pushing for a “vaccine” to exit the draconian lockdowns the so-called experts were insisting upon, and lying about their effectiveness, because they all were heavily invested in these pharma companies. They never followed the science, they followed China’s draconian policies, and were delighted to do so. They would love the power the CCP enjoys.


62 posted on 12/17/2022 4:18:54 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: RandFan

This isn’t a right versus left issue. It’s a science issue.


63 posted on 12/17/2022 4:23:06 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Stupidly is a moral problem, not an intellectual problem. )
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To: dragnet2

>> You want Trump to flip like DeSantis? And why didn’t DeSantis say this a year ago? How is it wonderful a year or so ago, but suddenly bad now? <<

DeSantis didn’t suddenly just now flip. Any implication by the Washington Post otherwise is nonsense. More than a year ago (November, 2021) he signed legislation into effect that prohibited mandatory vaccines in private-sector jobs and schools, following an executive order he issued in September, 2021. These actions were within days of Biden moves to impose mandates in general (November 4) and for federal contractors (September 9).


64 posted on 12/17/2022 4:23:58 PM PST by dangus
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To: Golden Eagle
Hindsight is 20/20. Now (DeSantis) sees perfectly! And the excuse for Trump's continued blindness is?

This isn't over. I Trust Trump, not you or DeSantis. I'm confident he will talk about it at a time of his choosing. Not on your schedule.

65 posted on 12/17/2022 4:24:25 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: escapefromboston
Is this still a topic people talk about ?

I agree; this topic is passè.

Those who haven’t taken the shot aren’t going to and those who lap up the government’s B.S. will keep rushing out and getting them as long as they are free.

I do notice FR’s shot peddlers are still at it, though.

66 posted on 12/17/2022 4:26:17 PM PST by Allegra
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To: jimfr
” if used PROPERLY,”, there is no proper use for it. “

to inoculate the elderly and immune compromised,” these are the people who should be the last to never use it. It only makes their immune system weaker.

There is never a proper time nor use for these killing vaccines.

My wife and I are in our 80's and after watching peers, relatives and people we knew, in the first year going to hospitals or Nursing Homes to die after receiving these killer drugs. She and I said no way and no boosters.

Recently, we both got a variant Covid, documented, after having Thanksgiving dinner with a relative.

We refused all types of suggested therapy, stayed home, drank a lot of fluids, took our baby aspirin, and I took my diuretic and my Eliquis.

Within 5-7 days after diagnosis, we were/are basically healthy.

67 posted on 12/17/2022 4:29:18 PM PST by Grampa Dave ((Truth is hate speech to those, who hate the truth!) (clintonh8r)Near Year)
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To: Robert DeLong
I will continue to support Trump, but he’s not looking at the evidence that keeps piling up that these shots are not “vaccines” at all.

Could you explain or provide a link showing Trump is not looking at and or is ignoring all the evidence that is piling up?

68 posted on 12/17/2022 4:30:04 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dangus

Trump never supported mandates so I’m not too impressed.


69 posted on 12/17/2022 4:32:55 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: RandFan
The Washington Post politicized the whole vaccine deal. Informed opinions of the benefits and risks of the vaccines should not be ideological. It's the Washington Post and its latter day Inquisition which demands allegiance to the Deep State and its Blood Sacraments.

70 posted on 12/17/2022 4:35:46 PM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: Allegra

If I didn’t come to Freerepublic once in awhile to read the news I wouldn’t even know covid was still around.


71 posted on 12/17/2022 4:36:49 PM PST by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: FreeReign
There was no Federal travel restriction.

Trump issued "lockdown guidelines" that he asked all Americans to follow. One of them was to end all discretionary travel. Was your trip discretionary, if you don't mind me asking? Merriam Webster defines that as "an individual choice" as in you weren't being directed by someone else, such as your employer. If it was discretionary travel, then you didn't see Trump's recommendations as sound, or you weren't aware of it at the time, then correct?

The mandate came from DeSantis, to quarantine for 14 days.

DeSantis was only trying to implement Trump's lockdown guidelines, which called for all Americans to avoid groups of larger than 10 people, which certainly happens at airports. So if DeSantis would have followed Trump's lockdown guidance exactly as requested, he would have shut the airports down completely, which he did not do.

From the research I just did, there were less than 5 states that DeSantis imposed any sort of incoming quarantine on, such as New York and New Jersey. Is that correct as well, based on your experience? And to summarize, you don't seem to think that Trump's guidelines, that DeSantis only partially implemented, were either sound at the time, or now based on further review?

I'm truly sorry to ask so many questions, but since Trump's lockdown guidelines were the root of all lockdowns being implemented, it's an interesting question to know why you weren't following them yourself, since you seem to be concerned that DeSantis was following them, if only partially himself.

My belief was they were just misguided guidelines at the time, and I was outspoken about it here at that very time. And I made a point to go out into public most every day in opposition, which I discussed here as well. I was upset with BOTH Trump and DeSantis at the time, but I realized that the lockdown guidelines originated with Trump/Pence/Fauci, first and foremost.

Thanks.

72 posted on 12/17/2022 4:38:49 PM PST by Golden Eagle (The LGBTQ indoctrination agenda is designed to outlaw the Bible, and anyone who follows it.)
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To: RandFan

I always rely on the Post for information about Republican candidates.


73 posted on 12/17/2022 4:43:42 PM PST by ActresponsiblyinVA
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To: dragnet2
When Candice Owens tried to ask him about the vaccines in an interview she had with him, he got rude & upset. I think that either means he has not been keeping up with the vaccines, or he is afraid to mention them for fear they will try to nail him for the vaccines. Or Candice is making it all up, but I don't actually believe that is the case. Can't be sure which, but one has to be the reason. At least that I can come up with. Perhaps you can come up with a different explanation for that behavior.

Candace Owens says Donald Trump is in a 'place of anger' and 'paranoia,' claims he was 'quite rude' to her, and reveals dream ticket for 2024

74 posted on 12/17/2022 4:47:23 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Grampa Dave
Recently, we both got a variant Covid, documented, after having Thanksgiving dinner with a relative. We refused all types of suggested therapy, stayed home, drank a lot of fluids, took our baby aspirin, and I took my diuretic and my Eliquis. Within 5-7 days after diagnosis, we were/are basically healthy.

Grampa Dave, I am so happy to hear you are doing so (relatively) well, despite just having Covid (again if I remember?). I have close friends in their 70's and 80's who did exactly as you, and are glad they did. Hope the good health of you and Gramma continue well into the future.

75 posted on 12/17/2022 4:57:05 PM PST by Golden Eagle (The LGBTQ indoctrination agenda is designed to outlaw the Bible, and anyone who follows it.)
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To: Revel

Trump has got every booster shot possible. He is a believer.


76 posted on 12/17/2022 5:00:19 PM PST by entropy12 (Food is most popular anxiety drug, exercise is the least popular.)
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To: silent majority rising

When the vaccine was the “miracle drug” everyone was demanding of Trump and the drug companies, there were many, many people praising it. It wasn’t until after the vaccine was starting to be widely distributed and millions got the shot that “problems” started popping up. And Trump never demanded people had to get the vaccine in order to work or go to school, IIRC.


77 posted on 12/17/2022 5:01:37 PM PST by JoJo354 (We need to get to work, Conservatives!)
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To: dragnet2

So now you’re just waving away effectively protecting your state from mandates with breathtaking efficiency by pointing out that Trump did nothing?

Trump is trying to take credit for disastrously ineffective vaccines (he DOES deserve credit for there being vaccines), while at the same time not infuriating people who have been fired or even rendered unemployable by their objection to vaccines. The result is he thunders about how safe and effective they are (falsely), and then gives lip service to the right not to take them.

But what Trump doesn’t get: when vaccines are safe and effectiveness, it’s normal for them to be required. If he insists they’re safe and effective, he reduces opposition to seeming like a dysfunctional idosyncracy. What he SHOULD do is argue:

“I brought forth vaccines in a fraction of the time they said it would take. Because millions of people needed whatever safety they could be offered. But where are the safer, more effective vaccines? This is not the time to walk away and say, ‘mission accomplished.’ This is time to find the vaccines that are safe enough and effective enough for everyone to fearlessly, willingly take them, not to force people to vaccines that may or may not be the best for them. And for God’s sake, it’s obscene to make people who have already survived Covid to take vaccines.”

But where Trump picks and chooses issues well, he has never shown any ability to implement policy well. This just seems beyond him. He needs to step aside.


78 posted on 12/17/2022 5:03:50 PM PST by dangus
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To: JoJo354

See my previous post, #78. Trump has not changed his position at all. That’s not entirely a virtue.


79 posted on 12/17/2022 5:06:24 PM PST by dangus
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To: Golden Eagle

Exactly!


80 posted on 12/17/2022 5:07:41 PM PST by FES0844
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