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1 posted on 05/25/2022 7:00:46 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Soon airlines will demand you pay for fuel before they takeoff ,LOL


2 posted on 05/25/2022 7:03:06 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Kaslin

The shortage couldn’t have anything to with a lot of pilots rejecting the forced clot shots, now, could it?????


3 posted on 05/25/2022 7:04:06 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: Kaslin

Politicians are reactionary, always passing laws after the horse has left the barn.


4 posted on 05/25/2022 7:06:32 AM PDT by Walrus (I do not consent)
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To: Kaslin

My son got paid to sit at home for 3 month while he waited for the FAA airman check rides-—literally 3 flight legs and he had to wait 3 months just to get in line. There’s bottlenecks everywhere and this is caused by government.


6 posted on 05/25/2022 7:07:52 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: Kaslin

The Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate carried a 1,500 flying hour minimum long before the Colgan Air crash.


7 posted on 05/25/2022 7:08:39 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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Ha!

Since 2009....and, we’re just now seeing the ‘result’?

Um, no.

It’s the jabs.

They’re now considering to cut in HALF the number of required hours, just to fill positions.

No, thanks.

United Airlines has an ironic tagline....

Going, going, gone.


8 posted on 05/25/2022 7:09:49 AM PDT by Jane Long (What we were told was a “conspiracy theory” in 2020 is now fact. 🙏🏻 Ps 33:12)
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To: Kaslin

More of the 80%+ unconstitutional portion of federal laws and acts.

There is NO Constitutional authority given to the feds for regulating much less taking over the airline industry.

NUKE THE 80%+ UNCONSTITUTIONAL PORTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!!!


11 posted on 05/25/2022 7:11:08 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Kaslin
There are statistical margins of safety and then there are political margins of safety.

Political margins of safety require no basis in reality, as long as the politician can shake the data in voters faces declaring "I did this for your own good!".

13 posted on 05/25/2022 7:13:45 AM PDT by G Larry (Anybody notice that Satan is hard at work?)
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That didn't matter to the politicians. "We need to improve pilot training, address flight crew hours and service," said Sen. Frank Lautenberg.

Oh brother. Lautenberg was the prototype for Biden. Senator Bob Torricelli was caught red handed being an utterly corrupt SOB and selling his office right before the election. He dropped out of the election about a couple of weeks before the election and NJ jaw says you can't change candidates at that point so he must remain on the ballot. A judge said literally that it was more important that a viable democrat be on the ballot than to follow the law and so they went back to Frank Lautenberg. He had resigned years before because dementia was setting in. But they figured he had name recognition and average citizens didn't know he was brain dead (especially since he didn't campaign or make public appearances at all) so they voted for him and he won. Mission accomplished.

He was a vegetable as a Senator, someone was pulling his strings obviously. Anyway, I imagine in 2020 someone said "hey, remember how we put a mindless fool on the ballot in NJ because people knew who he was and thought he was experienced and competent and he never campaigned and it actually worked? We should do that again! Someone call Biden!"

15 posted on 05/25/2022 7:14:58 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: Kaslin

Federal government — is there anything in our lives they can’t improve?


16 posted on 05/25/2022 7:17:25 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (Wanting to make America great isn’t an insult unless you’re trying to make it worse! ULTRAMAGA!!)
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When I first read this, I thought the government was delaying flights because the pilots weren’t diverse enough - there is a HUGE push to get more women and POCs to become airline pilots.

My daughter had a heck of a time getting out of Hawaii last week - flight after flight canceled. She said people were screaming in the terminal trying to get on any flight going out - her flight was to Los Angeles and people were desperately trying to get on her flight, one of the few that wasn’t canceled - just to get back to the mainland.

Family has a long-awaited trip to Hawaii soon - AirBNB is already paid for and we’re coming from four different areas. I’m worried that we all won’t be able to get there now without delays - or will be able to return easily


21 posted on 05/25/2022 7:30:31 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (Rigged Elections have Consequences)
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To: Kaslin

It’s a roundabout way to force the airlines to adopt electric aircraft motors. They’ll relax the new requirement if the comply.


25 posted on 05/25/2022 7:34:36 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Politicians are to America as oligarchs are to Russia. )
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To: Kaslin
The sixfold increase wouldn't have prevented the Colgan crash. Those pilots had many more than 1,500 hours of flight time. The pilot had 3,379 -- the co-pilot, 2,244.

This is the same as lowering the BAC from .08 to .06 after a crash involving a driver with a .15 BAC.

30 posted on 05/25/2022 7:44:52 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (My boss wants me to sign up for a 401K. No way I'm running that far! )
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"In 2009, after a Colgan Air crash near Buffalo, New York, killed 50 people, Congress decided [??? emphasis added] that airlines could only hire aspiring commercial pilots who already had lots of flight time."
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

While federal safety regulation of airlines is arguably a good idea, it remains that the states have never expressly constitutionally given the post-17th Amendment ratification, unconstitutionally big federal government the specific powers to do a whole lot of things that it is now doing, no power to dictate the qualifications of airline pilots for example.

"From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added]." —United States v. Butler, 1936.

In fact, the only mention of safety in Constitution limits the federal government's power to police safety to cases associated with rebellion or insurrection.

"Article I, Section 9, Clause 2: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it [emphasis added]."

In other words, it has long been impossible to reverse-engineer the actions of the very corrupt federal government to its actual, constitutionally enumerated powers.

Based on regular unconstitutional federal government interference in the affairs of the sovereign states, the Constitution should arguably be longer then the unconstitutional, unaccountable, 2,600+ page spending bills that desperate Democratic-controlled Congress infamously makes.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

Corrections, insights welcome.

Next, patriots are reminded that they must vote twice this election year. Your first vote is to primary career RINO incumbents. Your second vote is to replace outgoing Democrats and RINOs with Trump-endorsed patriot candidates.

Again, insights welcome.

37 posted on 05/25/2022 7:57:59 AM PDT by Amendment10
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For what it’s worth from a 26000 hour retired airline pilot, 250 hours of flight time is nothing. At that stage the fledgling pilot is still trying to figure out which rudder to use on a crosswind landing. (is it right rudder and left aileron or ....)

After 800 hours of being a Flight Instructor, I thought I had scared myself enough times to know what not to do, but hold on. The scaring and learning goes on for a while longer.

I got my first job as a copilot on a 10 seat Piper Chieftain. I considered that twin engine propeller plane to be quite large at the time. That led to an eventual upgrade to captain two years later after turning 23 and amassing 2000 hours of flight time. I grew into the airplane.

My first turboprop flying came at the 4500 hour mark and, once again, that was a lot of airplane to get used to. Larger and larger turboprops followed. The scaring was over. I had learned enough to avoid putting myself into difficult situations.

I was an airline instructor and check airman for a period of time when the company’s previously stringent hiring requirements were relaxed and we onboarded a group of pilots with 400 hours experience to fly as copilot on turboprops. They were the cream of the crop since no other airline was hiring. Most did really well but some did not so well at all.

Finally the big show arrived around the 10000 hour mark....jets. The transition was fairly easy. Things just happened at a much faster pace with less room for error.

I see a few roadblocks causing the pilot shortage. First, the retirement age was moved to 65 from 60. This stagnated pilot hiring for 5 years. The likely pilot candidates were sharp, intelligent people with degrees in business, engineering and computer science. They moved on. Very few stepped up to take their place.

Secondly, the cost of getting training and a pilot certificate exploded from expensive to almost unachievable. Between the imputed cost of liability built into an airplane’s cost and the ridiculously high cost of fuel...which has gotten exponentially worse...the pool of candidates is dwindling further.

Third, why go through all of the expense and uncertainty of an aviation career when that $85k software programming career can start the day after graduation with remote work?

I’m waiting to see what happens to commercial aviation when hydrocarbons are banned. I’ll still be sitting on the beach watching the waves. I’ve already traveled the world with 300 passengers and 17 hour non-stop flights halfway around the globe. The waves are inviting.

I look back at my rather blessed career with the certitude that even I was not ready for the big show at 250 hours. If Mr. Stossel wants to strap himself into a 600 mph tube with a 250 hour copilot and a 1500 hour captain (Yes, that is the minimum) he is free to do so. Just don’t fly over populated areas.


41 posted on 05/25/2022 8:19:44 AM PDT by Ex-Con777
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I am happy to see this article. The revised hour requirement was just a knee jerk reaction to a sad event. Many people warned of upcoming pilot shortages.


49 posted on 05/25/2022 9:51:46 AM PDT by vaskypilot
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