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It’s actually good for California that Democrats collapsed over single-payer health care
The Sacramento Bee ^ | February 6, 2022 | BY ROB STUTZMAN

Posted on 02/06/2022 7:37:09 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

In with a roar and out with a whimper. This is how we’ll remember a tedious progressive charade that was falsely billed as a righteous war to establish single-payer health care in California but instead fizzled and died in less than a day last week.

Assemblyman Ash Kalra’s AB 1400 had dominated the attention of legislators in the first month of this year’s legislative session. Kalra, a San Jose Democrat, obediently carried the water of the radically progressive California Nurses Association (CNA) — and Bernie Sanders-inspired activists — while pushing a complete overhaul of health care in California. This legislation would have essentially outlawed private insurance and converted all health care coverage to a single system administered by a centralized state entity.

For this to work, the 4.5 million Californians enrolled in Medicare would be forced to trade it for the new state system. The two-thirds of adults who have employer-provided private insurance would forfeit those policies for a system run by the same state government presiding over the EDD debacle.

The entire spectacle personified the underside of single-party rule in California.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: california; democrats; healthinsurance; marxists

1 posted on 02/06/2022 7:37:09 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I know more than a few MD’s and RN’s that believe single payer is worthy. Our Senator McGuire, Congressman Huffman are fighting for single payer.


2 posted on 02/06/2022 7:42:56 AM PST by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Karliner

“Free” = rationing. You can’t get something done even if you have the money, or willing doctors, to do something.


3 posted on 02/06/2022 7:46:00 AM PST by fruser1
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
They never tried to educate more doctors.
They never tried to educate more nurses.
They never tried to build more hospitals.

They funneled money to insurance companies.
Exactly what does that help? Nothing but cronies.

And, when the scamdemic hit, they quickly shutdown much of our healthcare infrastructure.
And they unnecessarily slipped into triage mode, removing "useless eaters" from healthcare facilities, organ donor lists, etc.

The political topic of "Healthcare" for the past 15 years has been about "money" and "death panels". It's only made "healthcare" worse. Because they never cared about healthcare.

4 posted on 02/06/2022 7:46:25 AM PST by ClearCase_guy ("If you see something, say something"? I see people dying from vaccines.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

All true. I haven’t subscribed to the Bee in years. I used to buy it occasionally to read while eating lunch out by myself. Easy, since it’s the size of a shopping circular these days. Now I don’t do even that so as to symbolically hasten the day of its demise.

One of the articles at the link is on the Bee having more conservative op eds, but I’m unwilling to pay to see the article. Too little to late, hacks of the Bee. The day you go out of business can’t come too soon


5 posted on 02/06/2022 7:48:01 AM PST by j.havenfarm (21 years on Free Republic, 12/10/21! More than 5000 replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

govt healthcare

costs spiral out of control

to control costs govt denies service

everybody loses


6 posted on 02/06/2022 8:03:24 AM PST by joshua c (Dump the LEFT. Cable tv, Big tech, national name brands)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
1. Make offering health insurance a crime punishable by jail time.

2. Make purchasing health insurance a crime punishable by jail time.

3. All medical expenses must be paid for in cash.

4. If you don't have the money then get it from family, friends, or charitable agencies.

5. The government is the loaner of last resort and must provide loans at reasonable interest for those who can't pay otherwise.

6. The only cost to government is administering the loans and losses when a person dies before paying off loans.

This system might seem harsh but if every medicine and procedure were paid for out of pocket then everything would tend to be much cheaper and the government bureaucracy would be much less. No one need go into bankruptcy over medical bills and the inspectors can focus on the loans if any criminals try to game the system.

I'm not a libertarian but I think this would appeal to some of them. Also to those who realize that since we can't really put a price on health it really should never have been insurable like cars or homes.

7 posted on 02/06/2022 9:12:52 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

They never tried to educate more nurses.

A young woman we are related to, wanted to become an RN like my wife, an aunt and a role model close to her age.

She was graduated from a top private California high school with all A’s except one B in a foreign language. That B basically ruled her out of any California nursing school.

We advised her parents to try out of state schools. She was accepted by every out of state school. She opted for an excellent 4 year program back East. She got a significant $ scholarship every year.

She was graduated in 4 years instead of you might be graduated in 7 years in California.

In her 4th year, she worked as tech in a Covid ICU back east.

She was graduated this past June in 4 years.

After she was graduated, she took the national RN tests last fall, passed and is now an official RN. The hospital, where she worked as a tech, more than doubled her salary as an RN. They are cross training her to be ER qualified as well as ICU.

When we joke about her returning to Kalifornia to be an RN.

She laughs and says, “Yeah, maybe in her next lifetime!”


8 posted on 02/06/2022 9:54:08 AM PST by Grampa Dave (How do you prove fraud, when those that determine fraud, use fraud to cover the fraud?)
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To: fruser1

“Free” = rationing. You can’t get something done even if you have the money, or willing doctors, to do something.”

Thanks to the Covid B$ in California and most hospitals, re getting something done has been next to impossible.


9 posted on 02/06/2022 9:56:48 AM PST by Grampa Dave (How do you prove fraud, when those that determine fraud, use fraud to cover the fraud?)
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To: joshua c

Lets just see how the government is doing with THEIR responsibilities.
Oil prices sky high
Inflation running out of control
Blew it leaving afganistan.
Can’t enforce the border
Totally blew on covid
And you want to run the healthcare system, ah NO


10 posted on 02/06/2022 10:07:17 AM PST by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“We see the same effect manifest in the Republican Party when GOP politicians affirm President Donald Trump’s lie that the 2020 election was stolen from him by fraud.”

Can he PROVE this, or did he just pull it out of his ask?

At most, any reporter should be saying nothing more than “unproven allegation”, instead of “lie”...at least until some serious investigation takes place.


11 posted on 02/06/2022 10:13:03 AM PST by BobL (Money is the most important thing in my life.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Actually, I am of a different mind on this issue.

It would have been much, much better if they had passed this monstrosity.

It would have hastened the utter demise of California Liberal politics.


12 posted on 02/06/2022 10:21:23 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I wish they had succeeded. That is the greatness of the US, that states can be microlaboratories for their pet policies without dragging everyone else along.


13 posted on 02/06/2022 7:11:41 PM PST by jimmygrace
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

One item never brought up.

If a military retiree opts out of Medicare, that person loses their TRICARE coverage.

Awful lot of military in California.


14 posted on 02/07/2022 1:38:53 AM PST by M.K. Borders (All I require of my government is the liberty my Grandfathers were born to.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Read later.


15 posted on 02/07/2022 2:31:14 AM PST by NetAddicted ( Just looking)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

So how does that prevent backdoor “health pools” from preventing people from pooling money to help pay when one of them gets sick? Family group? The neighborhood? Any random people that want to group up? Maybe everyone donates a small amount monthly, to build up the pool? Maybe pay 1-2 of the members out of that pool to manage this, and make sure the people that pull $$ out are getting actual medical care?

A better method might be to get rid of insurance as a primary payer - let people figure it out with their docs, then get reimbursed for the payments. People would care a lot more about not running up crazy costs to start with!


16 posted on 02/08/2022 1:19:37 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar

Besides feminists forcing women into fraternal orgs, the other thing that led to their downward spiral is their inability to create insurance pools. I would be ok if people grouped up with people they know to help each other out with med costs but there needs to be something to prevent them from reconstituting Blue Cross, etc.


17 posted on 02/08/2022 7:33:29 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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