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Nice White Parents’ Responsible for Failing Public Schools, New York Times Says
The Daily Signal ^ | August 25, 2020 | Mary Clare Amselem

Posted on 08/29/2020 4:18:40 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Jonty30

“My understanding of the article is that the white parents are taking their kids out of these schools and finding other amenities for them. The money that would be spent in these schools is being spent wherever these kids are ending up.”

Sorry, I still don’t get the money flow for public schools. In my district, 80% of the public school funding is from property taxes, and while white parents may donate some money and pay for band, or whatever, that’s peanuts compared to the budget numbers we’re talking about (right at $15,000 per student, per year - so the school district gets to still keep $12k if my kid doesn’t go there).


61 posted on 08/29/2020 6:36:02 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The article seems an attack on white, middle-class parents — but really, its a vicious attack on minorities, particularly blacks.

The thrust of the article is that white people are what make schools “good.” When they leave, they take money and parental commitment - schools fail, and thus, blacks are incapable of creating good schools.


62 posted on 08/29/2020 6:38:24 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Adder

“Thats bs...you pay your taxes whether you use the school or not.”

Exactly!


63 posted on 08/29/2020 6:56:01 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"they chose to send their children to established schools with a history of success."

No kidding???

Maybe the folks at the New York Times should set their sights on changing human nature. DNA adjustments might be necessary, like that cow who had been genetically designed to want to have her liver eaten; I think it was in The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

"Some parents note that although they believed in advancing school integration, they perceived this particular school to struggle academically, noting that many students could not read at grade level."

I don't suppose it occurred to anyone to concentrate their efforts on the parents and students who were less successful--and not on those determined to succeed and expecting excellence, or even adequacy--rather than lowering everyone's standards. Of course the challenge is enormous, the solution difficult, but that's where the problem is.

For $23,000 per student per year, a 1:3 teacher:student ratio could easily be established, maybe a smaller ratio. Having a bunch of motivated, disciplined, success-driven white children sitting in the classroom is a better plan than that?

"The public school system is drowning in bureaucracy. And bureaucrats get paid before teachers—and before students get new textbooks."

Well, there's one problem that could be eliminated.

"the solution to the different wants and needs of families is to ignore the wishes of parents altogether and let education bureaucrats decide what is best for their children."

And there's another one.

64 posted on 08/29/2020 6:57:58 AM PDT by Savage Beast (President Trump, loving God, America, and the American People, is on the Side of GOD and the Angels!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“sending their children to a worse school to serve the larger cause of public education.”

At first I never believed this, but I’ve actually met people who DO it. Instead of guaranteeing their kids a higher-level education, they think it’s their civic duty to support the public school system — the “community”. (They aren’t conservatives, in case you were wondering.)


65 posted on 08/29/2020 7:01:49 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (If 100% of us contracted this Covid Virus only 99.997% would be left to tell our story.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

How to keep black on the democratic plantation...have failing schools...

You give the kids a deploma and they try and get a job but they know nothing so they get canned or not hired...White people are racist


66 posted on 08/29/2020 7:05:21 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: ronnie raygun
So your are racist for not sending your child to a failing school.

In any sane world, saying that only white parents care about their kids would be considered racist.

67 posted on 08/29/2020 7:05:40 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Jonty30

My city taxes seem to go to the city schools whether or not I have children to send to them. It’s one of the main gripes of retirees on a fixed income, and, generally speaking, it’s why they vote “no” to many of the referendums.


68 posted on 08/29/2020 7:25:01 AM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The woman can make all the corollaries she wants, but she fails to identify cause.

The fact that “white” parents who advocated for integrated schools did not send their kids to the integrated schools cannot have been the cause of the failures of the schools.

Just two facts dispute her claim - a claim that is essentially that black children NEED classrooms with “white” kids. (1) Thomas Sowell wrote eloquently many years ago about his study of the segregated mostly black schools in Washington D.C., in the 1950s, before the famous Supreme Court school integration case. The black students were then performing at or above national performance averages. (2) Some of the best private high schools blacks can attend in the South were and are high schools established just for blacks. Yes, they began before integration but some continued after integration. Why? The parents wanted them, because they had high performance standards and the teachers did not coddle the students but demanded they perform as well as they were capable of.

If you want to find causes for both poor “black” school performance and a corollary that follows that - lower incomes - you need look no further than the decline of the black family (marriage & parents that stay together), the increase in underage & unwed mothers among blacks, the increase in single-parent female head of household families among blacks, all which began their bad trends in the 1960s during Lyndon Johnson’s “great society” era. Those same trends were not found in the American black family going all the back before the 1960s to the 1800s, and neither were the current black crime rates.

Yes, integration - kids getting to know “other” & “different” kids is a good “social” thing (it does, due to familiarity, lower the reliance on stereotypes and their related prejudices), BUT academic performance does not REQUIRE it. Academic performance needs good teachers, diligent students willing to put their nose to the grindstone and parents who support their kids in that effort. At the end of the day, any student is capable of defeating the best efforts of teachers and students AND any student is capable of overcoming some deficits of their teachers and parents.

BUT it is known, regardless of ethic background, when the family is not whole and not a nuclear family, kids, statistically, do not perform as well in school, and develop other social problems.

Blacks today are not so much, the “victims” of “continued racism” as much as they are, statistically, the result of the extreme decline of the black family as a social unit, a whole unit with both parents, parents who stay together. Yes, individuals can overcome those deficits, and many do, but statistics & averages are not about individuals who beat the odds, just what happens among a group.


69 posted on 08/29/2020 7:31:34 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Black Kids physically attack white kids in public school every single day in this country.

Refusal to acknowledge this is fraud.


70 posted on 08/29/2020 7:38:14 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A real double-dipper as she also works or worked for NPR & Planet Money. Shockingly, she is a 2003 Oberlin College graduate. Seems to be incapable of being right about anything!

71 posted on 08/29/2020 7:41:02 AM PDT by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: The Toll
Refusal to acknowledge this is fraud.

Actually, My FRiend, its criminal. The parents should be locked up for the torture they are putting their children through/

72 posted on 08/29/2020 7:45:00 AM PDT by sport
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To: Hambone 1934
We have to have white kids in the schools..NO body ever asks why?????

Diversity!!!!!

73 posted on 08/29/2020 7:50:23 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: ronnie raygun

You are racist if you leave a neighborhood with increasing crime and diminishing property values.

You are racist if you buy an inexpensive home in a minority majority neighborhood and other white people follow you and property values increase.


74 posted on 08/29/2020 7:53:34 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Does she know where the Obamas’ kids went?


75 posted on 08/29/2020 7:54:00 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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To: Nifster

The crabs don’t like anyone getting out of the bucket and surviving. They seek to pull everyone back in to certain doom.


76 posted on 08/29/2020 7:54:40 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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To: reformedliberal

>>Next, abolish ...all home schooling.

An Ivy League educrat has already said this (and Germany already does it). The Ivy Leaguer HATED that a child may be taught religious lessons in the home.


77 posted on 08/29/2020 7:56:43 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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To: reformedliberal

It’s going to get much worse in the next few years because there’s been no classroom instruction. Many kids have refused to do on line classes, even though they were given free computers and free internet. They have been promoted to the next grade level even though they are below last year’s grade level and may not even be able to read.

So there will be two groups of kids in the next few years: one group will be above grade level and the other group will illiterate and innumerate. The latter will not be employable. Expect to have more riots from the latter group.


78 posted on 08/29/2020 7:58:06 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Adder

Yes, but many teachers will get the smart students to teach the slower students. What are teachers supposed to do if there aren’t enough smart students in their classes?


79 posted on 08/29/2020 7:59:52 AM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
... she describes how when “white parents” came into the school, many wanted their children to learn French, yet no French classes were offered. The parents formed a committee, held fundraisers, collaborated with administrators, and got their French program.

This is problematic, according to “Nice White Parents,” because a French program strays from the cultural needs of the majority-minority population of the school.

So they want the white kids to stay, but they don’t want to teach them things that would be helpful to them. And the parents should shut the heck up.

80 posted on 08/29/2020 8:11:58 AM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?my)
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