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Italy's Coronavirus Death Toll Higher Than Reported
Wall Street Journal ^ | 4/1/2020 | Margharita Stancati

Posted on 04/01/2020 6:45:44 PM PDT by brookwood

MILAN—In the town of Coccaglio, an hour’s drive east of here, the local nursing home lost over a third of its residents in March. None of the 24 people who died there were tested for the new coronavirus. Nor were the 38 people who died in another nursing home in the nearby town of Lodi. These aren’t isolated incidents. Italy’s official death toll from the virus stands at 13,155, the most of any country in the world. But that number tells only part of the story because many people who die from the virus don’t make it to the hospital and are never tested. In the areas worst hit by the pandemic, Italy is undercounting thousands of deaths caused by the virus, a Wall Street Journal analysis shows, indicating that the pandemic’s human toll may end up being much greater, and infections far more widespread, than official data indicate.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: covid; italy; wallstreetjournal

1 posted on 04/01/2020 6:45:44 PM PDT by brookwood
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To: brookwood

In US if you die in a car crash and test positive for covid-19 your cause of death will be listed as SARS-covid-19


2 posted on 04/01/2020 6:50:57 PM PDT by griswold3 (Democratic Socialism is Slavery by Mob Rule)
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To: brookwood

I hope this stays away from the south. I know there are some cases there but not nearly as many.

I know Italy. It’s where pop was from.

The South does not have the kind of hospitals or access to medical care that the north does.

And considering what’s going on in the north, it would be Even Worse in the south.


3 posted on 04/01/2020 6:51:14 PM PDT by dp0622 (Radicals, racists dont point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin to make ends meet)
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To: brookwood

I’d sure hate to be stuck in that nursing home in Lodi again


4 posted on 04/01/2020 7:00:22 PM PDT by PlateOfShrimp
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To: brookwood

That balances the undercount. Everyone who dies in a hospital during the present unpleasantness has his demise ascribed to ChiCom flu.


5 posted on 04/01/2020 7:01:32 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe c)
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To: brookwood

If you are turned away from a hospital because it is overwhelmed, then later die, and are CV-19 positive, but not included in the death-rate “numerator” because your path did not conform to official means, then the death rate is low.


6 posted on 04/01/2020 7:03:30 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: brookwood
The Democrat/Soros financed Model that all of our Governors are using to lock down our Country Covidactnow.org assumes THAT EVERYONE in a given population gets the virus in less than 1 month.

It ran wild in Lombardy (10 Million People) for at least 3 weeks before lockdowns were just locking people down with other infected people.

If the Model is good enough for us all to sit around doing nothing for the next 1-3 Months, at least 5 Million people were infected with CCV in Lombardy alone.... or the Model is complete BS.

You Decide.

7 posted on 04/01/2020 7:05:21 PM PDT by UNGN
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To: griswold3

If you die in a car crash tonight, your chance of being positive for Covid19 is about 1 in 1000. About 100 people die in car crashes each day in the US, so chances are none of them are Covid19 positive. 900 people died of Covid19 in the US today because their lungs stopped working. I’m not sure what your car crash scenario has to do with it.


8 posted on 04/01/2020 7:10:12 PM PDT by brookwood (Obama said you could keep your plan - Sanders says higher taxes will improve the weather)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
In the town of Coccaglio, an hour’s drive east of here, the local nursing home lost over a third of its residents in March. None of the 24 people who died there were tested for the new coronavirus. Nor were the 38 people who died in another nursing home in the nearby town of Lodi.

9 posted on 04/01/2020 7:22:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: brookwood

24 people at a nursing home died. They were not tested and no one knows if they died of corona virus.

This proves they died of corona virus? I think not.


10 posted on 04/01/2020 7:47:26 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: griswold3

“In US if you die in a car crash and test positive for covid-19 your cause of death will be listed as SARS-covid-19”

How often does that happen?


11 posted on 04/01/2020 8:08:32 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Williams

“This proves they died of corona virus? I think not.”

Sure, could have been cancer, I guess.


12 posted on 04/01/2020 8:10:44 PM PDT by BobL
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Flu, heart attacks, cancer, stroke, old age.

It’s an old people’s home and the people dying are very old.

I’m guessing a lot of people die in those homes.


13 posted on 04/01/2020 8:15:40 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

more pumpin’ up the numbers:

31 Mar: UK Telegraph: Counting coronavirus: How are different countries calculating death tolls, and can you trust them?
Testing capacity, differing public health protocols and political meddling may have distorted coronavirus death counts around the world
by Roland Oliphant
The British government has faced criticism after new figures from the Office for National Statistics suggest the death toll from coronavirus is a quarter higher than previously reported.
But Britain is not alone in struggling to count coronavirus casualties accurately.
A mixture of pressures on testing capacity, differing counting protocols, and political meddling may have distorted death and infection rates around the world...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/31/counting-coronavirus-different-countries-calculating-death-tolls/

31 Mar: BBC: Coronavirus: Why the UK death count is an inexact science
By Michelle Roberts
The Office for National Statistics has released new figures on the number of deaths involving coronavirus.
Unlike the statistics we have heard about before now, these include every community death linked to Covid-19 in England and Wales.
According to the data, there were 210 deaths up to 20 March - the day that pubs and clubs were ordered to shut down to help tackle the outbreak.
That is 40 more than the official figure of 170 released at that time...

Why the increase?
It looks at community deaths - people who died at home or in residential care who doctors recorded on the death certificate as probably having Covid-19...
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52103808


14 posted on 04/01/2020 8:43:02 PM PDT by MAGAthon ( Fauc)
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To: Williams

“Flu, heart attacks, cancer, stroke, old age.
It’s an old people’s home and the people dying are very old.
I’m guessing a lot of people die in those homes.”

True, but people stay an average of 30 months in a nursing home - so if more than half of them die in 2 weeks, and there’s a virus running around at that time, there’s a good chance that the virus had something to do with the quick wipe-out of that population.


15 posted on 04/01/2020 9:15:04 PM PDT by BobL
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To: PlateOfShrimp

Lookin’ for a pot of gold?


16 posted on 04/01/2020 9:48:43 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around. God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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