Posted on 02/11/2020 9:54:25 PM PST by RomanSoldier19
President Trump's budget would eliminate the Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing Loan Program, an Energy Department initiative to lend money to retool factories and advance the progress of electric-vehicle manufacturing.
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I know what you’re addressing, but vehicle batteries aren’t going to go to zero because they are charged up once per day.
If you’re going by the 80/20 rule, you can extend those batteries out considerably longer than the normal life expectancy also.
Vehicle manufacturers are guaranteeing the life of the batteries out 8-10 years, and commuters aren’t complaining about batteries dying off.
People work about 220 days per year. I’ve forgotten the exact amount.
We’re not talking about the power company taking the full charge either.
As for people needing all their charge, they will know how much they need. They can sell the extra.
But they are complaining. The guarantees for 8-10 years have a caveat, that they guarantee perhaps 70 percent range as compared to when delivered new. Customers don't like that aspect. The more cycles of charging/depletion greatly decrease percentage of charge retention, and manufacturers won't guarantee percentage beyond 70 percent or so. Also, manufacturers may decline to honor warranties if the batteries are used to feed the grid.
Safe? Also highly inefficient. I think Tesla has a better approach, testing the combination of rechargeable batteries with high-energy capacitors.
Currently hydrogen would be great. It might be long term also. There are some new batteries coming down the pike that aren’t as negative chemically as the ones we have now.
I would have thought hydrogen would have taken off better by now. There’s still a problem finding a station to fill up at.
Wouldn’t you think the manufacturers would have addressed that by building a network?
It almost makes you think they didn’t really want to sell them. They were doing it just to make California happy.
At any rate, I used your link. It’s an interesting concept.
I’m looking forward to hearing more about the Atlis Xt pickup. It’s promised for release this year.
15 minute charge time
500 mile range
Towing and torgue much like the Rivian
Well I can’t guarantee you what the manufacturers will say about use on the grid.
I’m using my same hybrid battery pack that was installed on my vehicle in 2006. It’s still working like a champ.
yes safe
That's excellent. My daughter has had her 2007 hybrid since new, and had the battery pack replaced last year after more than 12 years use. Back then, people said they wouldn't last more than 5 years or so and would cost $8000 to replace, wrong on both statements. Daughter got it replaced for $1500.
Thanks for your discussion on this topic. I learned a lot.
Yes, that is the price range I’d heard also, on both ends.
Glad she was able to do that.
I approached my dealer asking them when I should expect to see the battery die. He said they aren’t really coming back in big numbers.
I honestly don’t see a major reduction in the amount of distance yet.
My car sits too much. Sometimes it takes a few miles to perk back up. It does though, and seems to hang in there.
Thanks.
d":^)
Another rat scam we will give you tax payer loans for something that is not yet viable or wanted
Where are this generations Henry Ford, Horace Dodge and their like?
“For cryin’ out loud why would a car manufacturing giant like Nissan need loans from the taxpayer to produce a car?”
Nissan isn’t what it used to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Ghosn
I recall that Toyota pulled their Prius batteries after ANY auto insurance claim involving “a collision”. The expense of the new battery went to YOUR insurance company!
Toyota went on to say they’d never had to replace a battery at customer expense.
I guess then the transcontinental railroad should never been built...
How anyone can call electric vehicles "Advanced Technology" is beyond me. Thomas Edison was selling EVs more than a century ago. They had the same problems then as they do now: limited range, long charging times, and costly battery replacements. Sure, the motor controls are more advanced. Inverters only became cost effective decades ago, and computer control of vehicle functions has only been around for about half a century. Other than that, EVs simply use the same technology that's for sale on millions of other IC powered vehicles.
Exactly - when a technology is capable of being self-sufficient, it will happen w/o government (taxpayer) help...
Let the companies issue stocks and bonds like other companies. Let the market decide if their ideas are good.
The last time the government got into extending car makers a loan was for $85 billion awarded in April of 2009 to Chrysler and GM by Obama. Seems to me it falls under the same line of trying to get the public into government controlled transportation and create fast revenue for Uncle Sugar.
rwood
Minimal fees, low interest rates (2-4%), up to 25 year term (depending on the estimated useful life of the asset). In other words, cheaper capital than they could get elsewhere.
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