Posted on 01/18/2020 5:21:28 PM PST by nickcarraway
The AK didn’t kill Jews per se. However they did in some cases refuse to provide them with arms, which was regrettable, but that’s not the same thing as killing them.
And without the tremendous amount of supplies provided to the Soviets by Britain and America, those sacrifices would have been in vain.
“” “” Maybe some of us are irritable because Russia forgets they were part of the Axis until half way through 1941, and enabled Naxi Germany to go on a worldwide rampage.”” “”
If you are going to include USSR (not Russia) into Axis and this idea by the way is a part Polish government propaganda why won’t you also include Poland into Axis? If USSR dared to enter a non-aggression Pact with Germany and took back the territories Poland aggressively annexed from Ukraine means ‘being a part of Axis’ what is it when Poland blocked the French-Soviet defence treaty and attacked Czechoslovakia along with the Germans to annex territories for Poland?
Or maybe once someone is a ‘victim’ mentioning his crimes is a crime in itself?
When it comes to history Polish government is sitting it a glass house. Throwing stones at big guys from there is not to be supported.
Russia may have been able to fight Germany to a standstill all by itself. America, Britain, France and all the rest of the allies could not have done that.
Its an indisputable fact. Neither good nor bad, just a fact.
“” “” Russia is just trying to divert attention from the fact that Stalin had the Red Army stop just short of Warsaw and then not lift a finger to help the Poles””” “
I think the Russians care about Warsaw Uprising about as much as Poland cares about the Siege of Leningrad.
They accept the fact that the Warsaw resistance did nothing to help Leningrad and they acknowledge the Soviets owed Warsaw Uprising nothing.
Putin is accustomed to working with the mohammedans. It was the custom in the USSR to fund and supply them and he was KGB.
Putin has placed the mohammedans inside of Russia in special protected status. He also praises them and their cult. At the same time he comes down hard on Christians unless they are members of the state church.
The pattern is clear.
He wishes an alliance with the mohammedans. If they can serve as his occupying army in Europe with his having to do a thing then so much the better.
because most of the world doesn’t realize that about 80% of all the allied deaths were Russians. ...................... Maybe they didn’t train the troops to shoot straight, and depended on human wave frontal assaults? Those bottles of Vodka may have affected their shooting ability. Having all those nice guys in blue hats with guns behind them, motivating them to move forward, regardless of the incoming rounds, may have also contributed to their casualties.
“I guess Russia gets irritable because most of the world doesn’t realize that about 80% of all the allied deaths were Russians”
who were killed by the Nazis who STALIN ORIGINALLY ALIGNED WITH.
I feel sorry for Russian civilians, but they were slaughtered BECAUSE OF STALIN’s *SS-HOLINESS as much as by Hitler.
” the Red Army went to Warsaw repelling the Polish invasion of Ukraine”
That’s one take.
Another is that in 1920 a reborn Poland went to war to recover territories lost to aggressive neighbors 130 years before.
The same neighbors that would carve her up and attempt to extinguish the Polish national existence again in 1939.
Nope. Your take is without merits regarding context at all. Polish-Russian relations had nothing to do with it in 1920.
These territories weren’t part of Russia anymore and USSR didn’t exist yet.
It was a Polish annexation of Ukraine - a separate nation at the time.
I guess you disagree with Russian annexation of Crimea but then based on your very same logic Russia has right to annex not only Crimea which is historically more Russian but all the Ukraine and Poland on top of it.
Who cares that these are independent nations? They were once part of Russia lost to aggressive NATO after all.
It doesn’t sound right. Isn’t it? But why?
That’s where double standards bring you.
The Soviets allowed the Nazis to crush the Polish resistance army to avoid having to do it themselves.
Polish resistance involved different groups.
Armia Krajowa was British-sponsored, anti-Soviet, they killed Jews and took Soviet officers hostages. All of the above could have been justified but it was really stupid to expect the Soviets to help this entity.
Why aren’t they mad at UK? The Brits could have arranged another Market Garden for Warsaw.
Another part of resistance was Armia Ludowa and it had full Soviet support.
Horsecrap.
Do you believe all the above is wrong or only a part of it?
I think we all agree that AK wasn’t that much pro-Soviet.
That alone explains the Soviet attitude towards the uprising.
The rest is up to discussion. I agree that antisemitism wasn’t a central or at least a major part of AK function but there are documented instances of antisemitism and anti-Ukrainian activity on their part.
You do know the UPA was responsible for the deaths of over a hundred thousand Poles during the war?
Yeah, America could have. We had twice their population, inexhaustible resources, a moral base, production capacity that Germany could never dream of. Germany is also thankfully blessed with horrible geography.
Thank god the Russians killed something like 7 of every 9 German soldiers. But Germany never had the ability to defeat the USA. And without Russia, the war would have had a different course, but we would have prevailed.
Of course I know, but we are risking to descend into tit-for-tat territory which is a thin ice when it comes to East Europe.
I generally believe this has to be ended.
Duda was seriously wrong to get back to it at Auschwitz.
People need to learn history to avoid mistakes but putting it into a center of modern politics is idiocy.
“And without the tremendous amount of supplies provided to the Soviets by Britain and America, those sacrifices would have been in vain.”
The Soviets deserved what they got for cutting a deal with Hitler to divide up Poland.
If you are going to include USSR (not Russia)
At the time, Russia was entirely the USSR.
Poland aggressively annexed from Ukraine
The Treaty of Versailles set up certain border. I am agnostic as to where Lviv should be, but the fact is the Western Ukraine People's Republic was declared as a surprise, and both sides had a legitimate claim. The Ukraine also had border disputes with Hungary and Romania. Former parts of Romania are parts of the Ukraine today.
Poland blocked the French-Soviet defence treaty
Please provide any evidence of such. The French minister who supported this pact died before it was carried out. Even when it as completed it carried no weight and the French abandoned it in 1936. The Polish had nothing to do with it.
You don't mention that there was a Soviet-Polish non-aggression from 1932, to the time the Soviets invaded.
and attacked Czechoslovakia along with the Germans to annex territories for Poland?
There was no attack. The Czechoslovak government ceded the area to Poland, who demanded it for a strategic railway junction. Poland and Czechoslovakia had been competing for this territory for some time. And it was no coordinated with Germany.
I am not trying to claim that all Poles are innocent, or something. But your argument's ridiculous. Poland was powerless when being occupied by two great powers.
Let me guess, you also believe the Soviets were victims of the Poles in the Katyn Massacre.
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