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1 posted on 12/09/2019 5:27:52 AM PST by george76
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“Because Senator Graham participated in the exploitation of Ukraine..”
That must be why Linda has been waffling on these cases. The Prez cannot trust any of these crooks.


2 posted on 12/09/2019 5:31:20 AM PST by duckman ( Not tired of winning!)
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I hope this Ukraine fiasco brings the house down on a bunch of politician including Graham, Romney and a bunch of Dems.


3 posted on 12/09/2019 5:32:55 AM PST by Gahanna Bob
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Here goes Linda Graham ready to let the lying democrats off the hook. He must be hiding something in Ukrain too. He wants to give the democrats a victory while he claims he was helping the president and country. South Carolina needs to get rid of the spineless coward.
4 posted on 12/09/2019 5:34:07 AM PST by Rdct29 (Democrats are the new Nazi's. They think they deserve total control over the people)
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The goal is not for President Trump to dodge some bullet and avoid removal by having the Senate end the farce.
The goal is to drain the swamp.

People need to be held accountable.
Don’t sweep things under the rug. It’s not helpful.


5 posted on 12/09/2019 5:34:14 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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I actually think this is a good move. I don’t think putting Schiff in front of a microphone is a good idea. It may sound nice in theory to hammer him with questions, but he won’t answer them directly and will just keep hitting his own narrative. And hte press would love nothing more than to show Schiff repeating their themes rather than putting on the testimony of other witnesses.


6 posted on 12/09/2019 5:34:32 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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I wonder who Linda called...Schiff Knows


7 posted on 12/09/2019 5:34:36 AM PST by janetjanet998
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God this party - GOP - deserves to die a horrible death. Trump needing Republicans is the only thread holding them from the plunge into the abyss.

No Lindsay. We want a quick dismissal, but AFTER evidentiary hearings in the Judiciary Committee to expose these traitorous crooks for what they are. We want to see the cabal behind this twist in the wind. We want Shiffty cross-examined by the finest lawyers in the country. We want to see the horror in the eyes of the whistleblower as he faces tough questioning about who his friends are and who he heard what from whom. And we want Nancy to testify and the Wadler.

Then you can move for quick dismissal for failure to state a claim.

10 posted on 12/09/2019 5:37:35 AM PST by AndyJackson
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I heard this and said to myself, WTF.

What do you have to hide lil Juan? AND then to say that PDJT should put this to rest asap, better for him and better for the country.

NO, asap would only benefit the demoncrats and RINOS.

WE THE PEOPLE want to know and bring to justice these coup leaders.

Not sweep the schifft under the rug AGAIN....

We want justice, we demand justice. Maybe we should be handing out our own form of justice if these pussie Republicans cannot stand up for us.

15 posted on 12/09/2019 5:41:14 AM PST by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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Don’t give a care want Graham wants! If the President wants to call Schiff he should. He is the one on trial not Graham!


16 posted on 12/09/2019 5:42:26 AM PST by LoveMyFreedom
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The goal of the GOP is to lose the Senate so the GOP is back in minority party status. It doesn’t want to be too obvious in seeking this, but lackadaisical support for Trump is part of the calculus.

That said, the Senate is the worst venue in the world for getting to the truth, and Trump can be acquiited without exposing Schiff’s malfeasance (in cooperation with leaker Ciamarella and IC IG Atkinson).


17 posted on 12/09/2019 5:43:36 AM PST by Cboldt
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“This is absolutely the wrong way to go. With only one side presenting evidence, and the Senate voting along party lines (with the possibility that Mitt Romney or Lisa Murkowski joining the Dems and Joe Manchin joining the GOP bloc), the Democrats will have succeeded in their goal of dirtying-up Trump in the highest-visibility forum possible, a Senate trial, with no counter punching.”

I disagree. I believe it makes no difference in the end if their is a trial with witnesses called or simply a quick vote to aquit. In either case Trump wins and gets to brag on all his social acct and his 100 million followers that he has beaten Pelosi and the Democrats once again.

As for the Liberals “dirtying up” the president, they have been doing that for over 3 yrs and to little effect.

I would like to see a trial and the proper witnesses called and questioned under oath but in the end the outcome is the same in my opinion.


19 posted on 12/09/2019 5:44:33 AM PST by billyboy15
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A down vote without a trial in the Senate would provide Dems a talking point of “coverup”. Trial. Expose it all.


20 posted on 12/09/2019 5:44:46 AM PST by Flick Lives (MSM, the Enemy of the People since 1898)
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I didn’t know Graham was dirty in this.


21 posted on 12/09/2019 5:45:10 AM PST by sauropod (Chick Fil-A: Their spines turned out to be as boneless as their chicken patties.)
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"He wants to leave all those rocks in place, turning nothing over to see what crawls out."

Excellent description...
Personally, I think we should torch all of DC... Burn it to the ground..!

22 posted on 12/09/2019 5:46:08 AM PST by unread (Joe McCarthy was right.......)
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First, the Horowitz whitewash, then the Graham whitewash...

I mean, why strain anyone’s self to expose the truth?


23 posted on 12/09/2019 5:47:00 AM PST by Magnatron
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Varying Expectations For IG Horowitz Report – The Convenient Application of “intent”……

Posted on December 8, 2019 by 

If Senator Lindsey Graham is correct – tomorrow the DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz will release a much anticipated review, looking into how the FBI and DOJ used an application to the FISA court to investigate the Trump campaign. There are wide-ranging opinions about what exactly this report may, or may not, outline.

The IG review has been ongoing for 21 months.  This report is anticipated to be a culmination of that investigative effort.  The ‘tick-tock club’ of Sean Hannity, Sara Carter, John Solomon and various Fox pundits have promised the report will be the most devastating outline of gross FBI and DOJ misconduct in the history of IG review.

Additionally, a network of financially dependent social media voices, book writers, podcast pundits and Q-theorists collectively known as the ‘trusty plan group’, have predicted criminal indictments, wide-scale arrests and a shock to the DC system that will fracture the foundation of the administrative state and simultaneously drain the swamp.

Meanwhile the Lawfare group has been the most visible advocacy network for the current and former DOJ and FBI officials who participated in setting up and using the FISA surveillance system now under IG review.   The Lawfare group has stated the IG report will exonerate all of their pre and post election activity; validate the justification for their predicate efforts; and leave the ‘tick-tockers’ and ‘trusty planners’ having to reconcile to their stunned audiences how they interpreted all the data so incredibly wrong.

A review of the last three IG reports which brush up against the same DOJ and FBI network: (1) IG review Clinton email/FBI conduct; (2) IG review of McCabe/media leaks; and (3) IG review of James Comey conduct; shows the IG report on FISA is likely to come down somewhere in the middle.  ie. mistakes were made; poor judgements were evident; some unprofessional conduct was found; some lack of candor was identified; department policies were not followed; but no direct evidence of intentional wrongdoing was attributable to a coordinated political effort.

If prior IG reports are predictive we should see something akin to:

…Everyone collectively just happened to make identical mistakes, at the same time, in the same direction, together with all the administrative staff within all intelligence organizations… many of them were professionally trained lawyers… but no-one did anything wrong on purpose….

Remember the modern mantra for DOJ definitions of legality are all about "intent".

Defining statutory violations by the intent of the violator is specifically attributable to how President Obama, AG Eric Holder and AG Loretta Lynch changed the entire enterprise of lawful application to make outcomes arbitrary, variable, changeable to the situation.

The IRS targeting wasn’t unlawful because it wasn’t intentional.  The death of four Americans due to sketchy CIA and State Dept. operations in Benghazi was not unlawful because the risky situation wasn’t created intentionally.  Hillary Clinton’s private email server with classified information wasn’t “intentional”, etcetera – etcetera, the list is long.

The nice thing about switching to definitions of lawbreaking by “intent” is the ease in arbitrary application.  Republican targets ‘intended’ to violate laws… Democrat targets, well, not-so-much.  Fluidity is a necessary oil amid a two-tiered administrative state.

If you elevate, I mean really elevate, and look at the bigger issue inside each of the examples there’s a connective thread surrounding a purposeful shift in accountability for broken laws by focusing on “criminal intent.”

“Intent”, not consequence, is now the larger shield being applied toward excusing the action of people within institutions of government and society.  Consider:

Ah yes, Hillary Clinton was not guilty or accountable because FBI Director James Comey said they couldn’t prove intent….. But the statute doesn’t require intent… But the DOJ said ignore the statute, they require it… and so it goes.

Also see years of Inspector General internal investigations culminating in the very familiar phrase: “declined to prosecute”; yup, they all surrounded intent.

Apparently anyone who breaks the law (lies) while inside the DOJ or FBI didn’t intend to… While lawbreakers (fibbers) outside the FBI/DOJ offices are intentful sons-of-bitches.

The “intent” issue extends everywhere….

Illegal alien entry, and accountability for fraud, all downplayed because there’s no proof of intent.   Walk down a pier in San Francisco and shoot a girl in the head… your honor, my client didn’t intend to do it.  The focus on intent -a specific decision made within the administration of a modern justice system- has become a shield against consequence.

It was a “mistake”…. he/she/it made “a poor decision” etc.  A pattern of obfuscation downplaying consequence and allowing those decision-makers charged with delivering accountability to withdraw or apply the rules of law based on their individual overlay of ‘intent’.

That shift is factually visible everywhere now.

The prior IG report by Horowitz [FBI bias & investigative outcome] was fraught with the application of ‘intent’ inside the inspectors explanation of absent evidence toward bias.

Each of these examples does not seem to be arbitrary, but rather connected to a more consequential decision by those in power to water-down accountability and open the doors for further abuse.

If the official didn’t ‘intend’ to do wrong, or more specifically if the people in position of delivering accountability for the wrong-doing cannot find specific intent, then the action is less-than regardless of outcome.

Consider what FBI officials were doing inside the FBI regarding media-leaks, then insert the James Wolfe example here & ask yourself how could they ever hold him accountable?

Pro Tip: They didn’t.

Following along the ideological lines we can all see how a shift to ‘intent’ can become a very serious issue within a corrupt system.

Within that system, and against that purposeful filter and determination, plausible deniability becomes the construct for intentional criminal engagement.

The illegal alien voter didn’t intend to violate the law… therefore no law was violated.  The Democrats who ballot-harvested illegal alien registration didn’t intend to violate the voting integrity statute… therefore no statute was violated.  Everyone just, well, made a mistake.

Whoopsie daisy.

A corrupt official doesn’t even need to put a finger on the scales of justice, once the scales are intentionally mis-calibrated like this.

If you wonder why there is such an overall sense of anxiety, poor conduct, lack of virtue and general unease within the recent landscape…. I would deposit the likelihood all of the unnerving instability around us is being caused by this shift away from consequence based entirely on ‘intent‘.

Brazen unlawfulness and abuses are now subject to arbitrary determinations of intent.

According to the current DOJ legal proceedings Michael Flynn the outsider intended to lie… FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, the insider, didn’t:

It’s this weird mish-mosh world where changing your party registration before you defraud your investors rob the bank might just help you out if you get caught.

From all current indications FBI Director Christopher Wray is directing his organization to spend more time filling the cracks in the dam (bias training) -trying to hold back the tide of electoral anger- than they are doing actual FBI work.  Which begs the question….

….did Bill Barr purchase scuba gear?


25 posted on 12/09/2019 5:47:35 AM PST by Bratch (IF YOU HAVE SELFISH IGNORANT CITIZENS, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SELFISH IGNORANT LEADERS-George Carlin)
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On the upside, maybe we could finally move on? I mean probably not because the Dems are just going to invent something else to be aggrieved about, but it would be nice to move on to more substantive things. For example, has Trump’s people all been confirmed yet? There is so much work that has been left undone thanks to this hysterical protracted hussy fit has been underway since election day.


29 posted on 12/09/2019 5:52:14 AM PST by BlackAdderess (Free the Russia investigation documents)
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Graham thinks that once it’s done, it’s done. But, it’s never “done” as far as the democrats go. He seems to forget that.


30 posted on 12/09/2019 5:53:30 AM PST by eastexsteve
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More than 700 administration positions need Senate confirmation and fewer than 500 have been confirmed as year 3 of the Trump administration draws to a close. Whether Graham is right or wrong the fact is that we have already had far too much of the nations business tied up by the Democrats endless temper tantrum. What we should do is to try the Democrats “No “Justice,” No Peace” tactics in the court of public opinion.


32 posted on 12/09/2019 6:02:46 AM PST by BlackAdderess (Free the Russia investigation documents)
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A one-sided trial will only leave Trump weakened among many. This is wrong and a poor way to treat him.


34 posted on 12/09/2019 6:06:03 AM PST by Magnatron
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