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Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
American Thinker ^ | December 9, 2019 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 12/09/2019 5:27:52 AM PST by george76

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To: george76

I didn’t know Graham was dirty in this.


21 posted on 12/09/2019 5:45:10 AM PST by sauropod (Chick Fil-A: Their spines turned out to be as boneless as their chicken patties.)
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To: george76
"He wants to leave all those rocks in place, turning nothing over to see what crawls out."

Excellent description...
Personally, I think we should torch all of DC... Burn it to the ground..!

22 posted on 12/09/2019 5:46:08 AM PST by unread (Joe McCarthy was right.......)
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To: george76

First, the Horowitz whitewash, then the Graham whitewash...

I mean, why strain anyone’s self to expose the truth?


23 posted on 12/09/2019 5:47:00 AM PST by Magnatron
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To: Gahanna Bob

The Ukraine as you say fiasco is going to be an excellent illustration of the Law of Unintended Consequences. The Democrats feel safe in that there will be no damning evidence presented by American sources that are effectively buried.

The unintended damning evidence, overwhelming damning evidence, is going to be forth coming from the current President of Ukraine or his designated sources.

To insure his own political future, President Zelensky needs to create a record of ending corruption. With expertise from Rudy’s firm Zelensky can dig and dig and dig and then publish and publish and publish.

While eliminating corruption in Ukraine President Zelensky will expose Hunter Biden, Joe Biden and likely Barack Obama, and John Kerry

Folks here like to talk about popcorn. It’s time to lay in a supply


24 posted on 12/09/2019 5:47:05 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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Varying Expectations For IG Horowitz Report – The Convenient Application of “intent”……

Posted on December 8, 2019 by 

If Senator Lindsey Graham is correct – tomorrow the DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz will release a much anticipated review, looking into how the FBI and DOJ used an application to the FISA court to investigate the Trump campaign. There are wide-ranging opinions about what exactly this report may, or may not, outline.

The IG review has been ongoing for 21 months.  This report is anticipated to be a culmination of that investigative effort.  The ‘tick-tock club’ of Sean Hannity, Sara Carter, John Solomon and various Fox pundits have promised the report will be the most devastating outline of gross FBI and DOJ misconduct in the history of IG review.

Additionally, a network of financially dependent social media voices, book writers, podcast pundits and Q-theorists collectively known as the ‘trusty plan group’, have predicted criminal indictments, wide-scale arrests and a shock to the DC system that will fracture the foundation of the administrative state and simultaneously drain the swamp.

Meanwhile the Lawfare group has been the most visible advocacy network for the current and former DOJ and FBI officials who participated in setting up and using the FISA surveillance system now under IG review.   The Lawfare group has stated the IG report will exonerate all of their pre and post election activity; validate the justification for their predicate efforts; and leave the ‘tick-tockers’ and ‘trusty planners’ having to reconcile to their stunned audiences how they interpreted all the data so incredibly wrong.

A review of the last three IG reports which brush up against the same DOJ and FBI network: (1) IG review Clinton email/FBI conduct; (2) IG review of McCabe/media leaks; and (3) IG review of James Comey conduct; shows the IG report on FISA is likely to come down somewhere in the middle.  ie. mistakes were made; poor judgements were evident; some unprofessional conduct was found; some lack of candor was identified; department policies were not followed; but no direct evidence of intentional wrongdoing was attributable to a coordinated political effort.

If prior IG reports are predictive we should see something akin to:

…Everyone collectively just happened to make identical mistakes, at the same time, in the same direction, together with all the administrative staff within all intelligence organizations… many of them were professionally trained lawyers… but no-one did anything wrong on purpose….

Remember the modern mantra for DOJ definitions of legality are all about "intent".

Defining statutory violations by the intent of the violator is specifically attributable to how President Obama, AG Eric Holder and AG Loretta Lynch changed the entire enterprise of lawful application to make outcomes arbitrary, variable, changeable to the situation.

The IRS targeting wasn’t unlawful because it wasn’t intentional.  The death of four Americans due to sketchy CIA and State Dept. operations in Benghazi was not unlawful because the risky situation wasn’t created intentionally.  Hillary Clinton’s private email server with classified information wasn’t “intentional”, etcetera – etcetera, the list is long.

The nice thing about switching to definitions of lawbreaking by “intent” is the ease in arbitrary application.  Republican targets ‘intended’ to violate laws… Democrat targets, well, not-so-much.  Fluidity is a necessary oil amid a two-tiered administrative state.

If you elevate, I mean really elevate, and look at the bigger issue inside each of the examples there’s a connective thread surrounding a purposeful shift in accountability for broken laws by focusing on “criminal intent.”

“Intent”, not consequence, is now the larger shield being applied toward excusing the action of people within institutions of government and society.  Consider:

Ah yes, Hillary Clinton was not guilty or accountable because FBI Director James Comey said they couldn’t prove intent….. But the statute doesn’t require intent… But the DOJ said ignore the statute, they require it… and so it goes.

Also see years of Inspector General internal investigations culminating in the very familiar phrase: “declined to prosecute”; yup, they all surrounded intent.

Apparently anyone who breaks the law (lies) while inside the DOJ or FBI didn’t intend to… While lawbreakers (fibbers) outside the FBI/DOJ offices are intentful sons-of-bitches.

The “intent” issue extends everywhere….

Illegal alien entry, and accountability for fraud, all downplayed because there’s no proof of intent.   Walk down a pier in San Francisco and shoot a girl in the head… your honor, my client didn’t intend to do it.  The focus on intent -a specific decision made within the administration of a modern justice system- has become a shield against consequence.

It was a “mistake”…. he/she/it made “a poor decision” etc.  A pattern of obfuscation downplaying consequence and allowing those decision-makers charged with delivering accountability to withdraw or apply the rules of law based on their individual overlay of ‘intent’.

That shift is factually visible everywhere now.

The prior IG report by Horowitz [FBI bias & investigative outcome] was fraught with the application of ‘intent’ inside the inspectors explanation of absent evidence toward bias.

Each of these examples does not seem to be arbitrary, but rather connected to a more consequential decision by those in power to water-down accountability and open the doors for further abuse.

If the official didn’t ‘intend’ to do wrong, or more specifically if the people in position of delivering accountability for the wrong-doing cannot find specific intent, then the action is less-than regardless of outcome.

Consider what FBI officials were doing inside the FBI regarding media-leaks, then insert the James Wolfe example here & ask yourself how could they ever hold him accountable?

Pro Tip: They didn’t.

Following along the ideological lines we can all see how a shift to ‘intent’ can become a very serious issue within a corrupt system.

Within that system, and against that purposeful filter and determination, plausible deniability becomes the construct for intentional criminal engagement.

The illegal alien voter didn’t intend to violate the law… therefore no law was violated.  The Democrats who ballot-harvested illegal alien registration didn’t intend to violate the voting integrity statute… therefore no statute was violated.  Everyone just, well, made a mistake.

Whoopsie daisy.

A corrupt official doesn’t even need to put a finger on the scales of justice, once the scales are intentionally mis-calibrated like this.

If you wonder why there is such an overall sense of anxiety, poor conduct, lack of virtue and general unease within the recent landscape…. I would deposit the likelihood all of the unnerving instability around us is being caused by this shift away from consequence based entirely on ‘intent‘.

Brazen unlawfulness and abuses are now subject to arbitrary determinations of intent.

According to the current DOJ legal proceedings Michael Flynn the outsider intended to lie… FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, the insider, didn’t:

It’s this weird mish-mosh world where changing your party registration before you defraud your investors rob the bank might just help you out if you get caught.

From all current indications FBI Director Christopher Wray is directing his organization to spend more time filling the cracks in the dam (bias training) -trying to hold back the tide of electoral anger- than they are doing actual FBI work.  Which begs the question….

….did Bill Barr purchase scuba gear?


25 posted on 12/09/2019 5:47:35 AM PST by Bratch (IF YOU HAVE SELFISH IGNORANT CITIZENS, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SELFISH IGNORANT LEADERS-George Carlin)
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To: sauropod

Why so camera shy, Linda?

Video clip at link:

https://twitter.com/RedNationRising/status/1203837028678471680

Ukraine President Poroshenko presented US Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham with the Order of Freedom and the Order of Prince Yaroslav the Wise respectively, on 12/30/16


26 posted on 12/09/2019 5:50:02 AM PST by maggief
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To: Bratch
Oops! Sorry, wrong post. Here's the right one.

Oh Snap – Senator Lindsey Graham Pledges to Block Testimony of U.S. Politicians Coordinating With Ukraine…

Posted on December 8, 2019 by 

Senator Lindsey Graham appears on Fox News with Maria Bartiromo and announces he will take all appropriate efforts to stop the truth about Ukraine from being exposed in the Senate.   This interview is a critical first step to understanding motives. CTH will expand in the next few posts that will highlight *WHY* Graham will bury information.

First, watch Senator Graham say unequivocally he will not call witnesses and will quickly move to dismiss the House impeachment effort.  Pay close attention to the part where Graham says calling congressmen to testify is dangerous, and he will not call Adam Schiff because he does not want to go down this path.

Lindsey Graham: Adam Schiff is doing a lot of damage to our country

These comments by Senator Lindsey Graham are very self serving. Why?… Because Senator Graham participated in the exploitation of Ukraine for his own benefit. In essence Graham is fearful that too much inquiry into what took place with Ukraine in 2014 through 2016 will expose his own participation and effort along with former Ambassador Marie Yovanovich.

Graham is attempting to end the impeachment effort because the underlying discoveries have the potential to expose the network of congressional influence agents, John McCain and Graham himself included, during any witness testimony.


27 posted on 12/09/2019 5:50:07 AM PST by Bratch (IF YOU HAVE SELFISH IGNORANT CITIZENS, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SELFISH IGNORANT LEADERS-George Carlin)
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To: Cboldt

The goal of the GOP is to lose the Senate so the GOP is back in minority party status. It doesn’t want to be too obvious in seeking this, but lackadaisical support for Trump is part of the calculus.


It’s not really about Trump. The main beneficiaries of a non trial in the Senate are the blue state GOP Senators up in 2020. Collins, Gardner, etc. McConnell is trying to protect them from a months long Kavanaugh on steroids spectacle. He couldn’t care less about POTUS, obviously.


28 posted on 12/09/2019 5:50:31 AM PST by lodi90
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To: george76

On the upside, maybe we could finally move on? I mean probably not because the Dems are just going to invent something else to be aggrieved about, but it would be nice to move on to more substantive things. For example, has Trump’s people all been confirmed yet? There is so much work that has been left undone thanks to this hysterical protracted hussy fit has been underway since election day.


29 posted on 12/09/2019 5:52:14 AM PST by BlackAdderess (Free the Russia investigation documents)
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To: george76

Graham thinks that once it’s done, it’s done. But, it’s never “done” as far as the democrats go. He seems to forget that.


30 posted on 12/09/2019 5:53:30 AM PST by eastexsteve
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To: bray

Bingo. Kerry’s son , allegations that Romney May have some tie ins to Ukraine. , The fact that Ukraine was the largest donation to the Clinton Foundation. Joey B bragging about a much clearer you do this or you won’t get that that is actually documented for people to see.

Lindsay and McCain in a documented photo getting an award from the corrupt Ukrainian President.

Yes Lindsay we can see your CYA move very clearly


31 posted on 12/09/2019 5:54:31 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: george76

More than 700 administration positions need Senate confirmation and fewer than 500 have been confirmed as year 3 of the Trump administration draws to a close. Whether Graham is right or wrong the fact is that we have already had far too much of the nations business tied up by the Democrats endless temper tantrum. What we should do is to try the Democrats “No “Justice,” No Peace” tactics in the court of public opinion.


32 posted on 12/09/2019 6:02:46 AM PST by BlackAdderess (Free the Russia investigation documents)
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To: Bratch

Thanks for that very comprehensive summary of “ weasel land”. We

One set of rules for the canal and another for law abiding citizens.

Under that “ intent” standard terrorists could claim I didn’t intend to fly a plane into the towers.I was just engaged in practicing my religion


33 posted on 12/09/2019 6:04:17 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: george76

A one-sided trial will only leave Trump weakened among many. This is wrong and a poor way to treat him.


34 posted on 12/09/2019 6:06:03 AM PST by Magnatron
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To: BlackAdderess

More than 700 administration positions need Senate confirmation and fewer than 500 have been confirmed as year 3 of the Trump administration draws to a close. Whether Graham is right or wrong the fact is that we have already had far too much of the nations business tied up by the Democrats endless temper tantrum. What we should do is to try the Democrats “No “Justice,” No Peace” tactics in the court of public opinion.


Director of National Intelligence is one of them. How did that happen?

The idea that we can surrender to the Dems on impeachment and “move on” is totally delusional. The Dems fight for every inch every day. The GOP must do likewise if it wants to win in 2020. It’s that simple.


35 posted on 12/09/2019 6:07:11 AM PST by lodi90
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To: eastexsteve

Graham thinks that once it’s done, it’s done. But, it’s never “done” as far as the democrats go. He seems to forget that.


Graham hasn’t forgotten anything. He wants to shut down debate in the Senate to protect himself and other Senators from discovery/extended Senate trial. That is all.


36 posted on 12/09/2019 6:08:29 AM PST by lodi90
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To: george76

Calling Schitt will do no good.


37 posted on 12/09/2019 6:10:08 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: george76

If this is the way this goes, hopefully the IG report will land and take all the news cycles away from the Democrats while giving needed context to this sham of a legal proceeding.


38 posted on 12/09/2019 6:11:44 AM PST by BlackAdderess (Free the Russia investigation documents)
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To: george76

The U.S. State Department is nothing but a giant money laundering operation using taxpayer monies. That’s why every budget bill is a last minute omnibus spending bill. No line item allocations, just one giant check every year for the shadow government to disperse as they see fit.


39 posted on 12/09/2019 6:12:34 AM PST by blackdog
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To: george76

Lindsey Graham is showing his true colors as being an anti-Trumper.

Lindsey along with his fellow ‘never-Trumpers’ in the GOP want to hang the impeachment label on Trump in hopes that Trump is not reelected in November 2020.

We know there are many low information voters who believe that the word ‘impeachment’ means that a person committed a crime.

Low information voters do not understand that impeachment is equivalent to the word indictment.


40 posted on 12/09/2019 6:18:50 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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