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Is Macron Right? Is NATO, 70, Brain Dead?
Townhall.com ^ | November 26, 2019 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 11/26/2019 6:57:37 AM PST by Kaslin

A week from now, the 29 member states of "the most successful alliance in history" will meet to celebrate its 70th anniversary. Yet all is not well within NATO.

Instead of a "summit," the gathering, on the outskirts of London, has been cut to two days. Why the shortened agenda?

Among the reasons, apprehension that President Donald Trump might use the occasion to disrupt alliance comity by again berating the Europeans for freeloading on the U.S. defense budget.

French President Emmanuel Macron, on the 100th anniversary of the World War I Armistice, described NATO as having suffered "brain death." Macron now openly questions the U.S. commitment to fight for Europe and is talking about a "true European Army" with France's nuclear deterrent able to "defend Europe alone."

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, whose nation spends 1.4% of GDP on defense and has relied on the U.S. and NATO to keep Russia at bay since the Cold War began, is said to be enraged at the "disruptive politics" of the French president.

Also, early in December, Britain holds national elections. While the Labour Party remains committed to NATO, its leader, Jeremy Corbyn, is no Clement Attlee, who took Britain into NATO at its birth in 1949.

Corbyn has questioned NATO's continued relevance in the post-Cold War era. A potential backer of a new Labour government, Nicola Sturgeon of the Scottish National Party, is demanding the closing of Britain's Trident submarine base in Scotland as a precondition of her party's support for Labour in Parliament.

Also present in London will be NATO ally Turkey's President Recep Erdogan.

Following the 2016 coup attempt, Erdogan has purged scores of thousands from his army and regime, jailed more journalists than any other authoritarian, purchased Vladimir Putin's S-400 missile system as Turkey's air defense, and ordered the U.S. forces out of his way as he invaded northern Syria, killing Kurdish fighters who did the bleeding and dying in the U.S.-led campaign to crush the ISIS caliphate.

During the Cold War, NATO enjoyed the widespread support of Americans and Europeans, and understandably so. The USSR had 20 divisions in Germany, surrounded West Berlin, and occupied the east bank of the Elbe, within striking distance of the Rhine.

But that Cold War is long over. Berlin is the united free capital of Germany. The Warsaw Pact has been dissolved. Its member states have all joined NATO. The Soviet Union split apart into 15 nations. Communist Yugoslavia splintered into seven nations.

As a fighting faith, communism is dead in Europe. Why then are we Americans still over there?

Since the Cold War, we have doubled the size of NATO. We have brought in the Baltic republics of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania but not Finland or Sweden. We have committed ourselves to fight for Slovenia, Croatia, Albania and Montenegro but not Serbia, Bosnia or North Macedonia.

Romania and Bulgaria are NATO allies but not Moldova or Belarus.

George W. Bush kept us out of the 2008 Russia-Georgia clash over South Ossetia and Abkhazia. And Barack Obama refused to send lethal aid to help Ukraine retrieve Crimea, Luhansk or Donetsk, though Sen. John McCain wanted the United States to jump into both fights.

In the House Intel Committee's impeachment hearings, foreign service officers spoke of "Russian aggression" against our Ukrainian "ally" and our "national security" being in peril in this fight.

But when did Ukraine become an ally of the United States whose territorial wars we must sustain with military aid if not military intervention?

When did Kyiv's control of Crimea and the Donbass become critical to the national security of the United States, when Russia has controlled Ukraine almost without interruption from Catherine the Great in the 18th century to Mikhail Gorbachev in the late 20th century?

Among the reasons Trump is president is that he raised provocative questions about NATO and Russia left unaddressed for three decades, as U.S. policy has been on cruise control since the Cold War.

And these unanswered questions are deadly serious ones.

Do we truly believe that if Russia marched into Estonia, the U.S. would start attacking the ships, planes and troops of a nation armed with thousands of tactical and strategic nuclear weapons?

Would NATO allies Spain, Portugal and Italy declare war on Russia?

In 1914 and 1939, in solidarity with the mother country, Britain, Canada declared war on Germany. Would Justin Trudeau's Canada invoke NATO and declare war on Putin's Russia -- for Estonia or Latvia?

Under NATO, we are now committed to go to war for 28 nations. And the interventionists who took us into Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen want U.S. war guarantees extended to other nations even closer to Russia.

One day, one of these war guarantees is going to be called upon, and we may find that the American people were unaware of that commitment, and are unwilling to honor it, especially if the consequence is a major war with a nuclear power


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Germany; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: angelamerkel; brexit; brexitparty; emanuelmacron; europeanunion; france; germany; macron; nato; nigelfarage; patbuchanan; patrickbuchanan; patrickjbuchanan; pitchforkpat; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine; unfitforoffice; unitedkingdom
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1 posted on 11/26/2019 6:57:37 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

France in NATO? I thought DeGaulle, the surrender monkey kicked us out in 1960.


2 posted on 11/26/2019 7:00:33 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

They sneaked back in..............


3 posted on 11/26/2019 7:01:04 AM PST by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain...................)
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To: Kaslin

Just pull the plug on the brain dead and useless NATO and walk way!

Treat NATO like a severely terminal Hospice patient.


4 posted on 11/26/2019 7:03:00 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Nanzi Pelosi Thinks/Says Americans Are Too STUPID To Elect Their President! Time for #DCEXIT!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

NATO was formed in 1949. DeGaulle kicked the US out of France in 1960.


5 posted on 11/26/2019 7:04:57 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Grampa Dave

Are you crazy? With no NATO the Soviet Union will overrun all of Europe.


6 posted on 11/26/2019 7:05:37 AM PST by hardspunned
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To: Kaslin

If they can’t even defend themselves against Muslim invaders breaking in and burning their churches, then they’re done anyway. Stick a fork in them.


7 posted on 11/26/2019 7:06:07 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Kaslin

If they don’t pay, we should pull out.


8 posted on 11/26/2019 7:08:11 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Kaslin

for 70 years we have kept the French and Germans from destroying each other so they go and let the Muslims come in and destroy both.


9 posted on 11/26/2019 7:11:07 AM PST by Jolla
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To: Kaslin

LOL....France and Germany guarding Europe. They certainly wouldn’t have to plan a 70th anniversary celebration. The USA should celebrate the NATO 70th by telling the freeloaders to pay up, or we will no longer participate.


10 posted on 11/26/2019 7:12:34 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Telepathic Intruder
If they can’t even defend themselves against Muslim invaders breaking in and burning their churches, then they’re done anyway. Stick a fork in them.

NATO is like heroin for the EU nanny state. It keeps them in a haze, thinking life is fine. Not spending on defense means they can fund more SJWs and leftist social-engineering schemes. With no existential threat, they are not forced to consider their own existence.

11 posted on 11/26/2019 7:12:52 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Kaslin

That is rich comming from any leader of France.

In a tiff de Gaulle told NATO to take its HQ out of Paris (where it was originally, and why it moved to Brussels and a suburb of Brussels).

Then for decades France remained a “member” but without its military participation with NATO. It was not until 2009 that France rejoined the NATO military command structure.

Then both France and Germany while not contributing the NATO consensus-agreed contribution to their own military, have continually advanced a call for a separate European military command and even a European Army.

So, after continued attacks on it and continued lack of follow through on military commitments by NATO’s two largest military members, who is to blame if in fact NATO is “brain dead”.


12 posted on 11/26/2019 7:14:49 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Kaslin

Let Europe fall and burn.


13 posted on 11/26/2019 7:23:07 AM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: Kaslin

More important would France and Germany support the US if we were attacked by Russia or China? I doubt it.


14 posted on 11/26/2019 7:23:09 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: Kaslin

I remember a political cartoon from back then...DeGaulle is standing in front of an American military cemetery in France and says...”Why do you Americans always stay where you are not wanted!”

Brutal!


15 posted on 11/26/2019 7:31:26 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Kaslin

This is hilarious considering he’s only President because he beat a woman who was saying NATO made no sense years ago....seems to me she’s gotta a better grasp of the situation than this guy


16 posted on 11/26/2019 7:31:54 AM PST by wiseprince
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To: txrefugee
The USA should celebrate the NATO 70th by telling the freeloaders to pay up, or we will no longer participate.

That's exactly what they're afraid of.

Among the reasons, apprehension that President Donald Trump might use the occasion to disrupt alliance comity by again berating the Europeans for freeloading on the U.S. defense budget.

Pussies!

17 posted on 11/26/2019 7:40:41 AM PST by numberonepal (WWG1WGA)
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French leader right? Never happen. Twice Americans have died saving their butts.


18 posted on 11/26/2019 7:41:42 AM PST by Retvet (Retvet)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

The policy France took was pretty sane if you ask me. All foreign troops must leave France. France was going to build it’s own nuclear deterrent, and no French troops would fall under NATO control.

17-20 April of 1961 was Bay of Pigs. 21-26 April 1961 was The Generals Putsch in France. Dulles was involved and the concept was that while Bay of Pigs had Kennedy occupied, CIA friendly French generals would throw out DeGaulle.

But wherever the truth lies, I fail to see any issue with nations not basing other troops there (even our own) not letting other nations control their troops (entangling alliances) and building their own deterrent. That is the precise opposite of globalism.


19 posted on 11/26/2019 7:59:39 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Kaslin

The only sane course is unilateral US withdraw from NATO.

Because no sane American would go to war with Russia over Bulgaria. Or Romania. Or Latvia. etc.


20 posted on 11/26/2019 8:01:07 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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