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Just the engagement sound of a Mossberg in the dark will have anyone make in their pants.
Lots of threads on must have firearms. How about essential,edged weapons? Might be even more essential than firearms once powder, primers and bullets run out.
The better marlin 336 lever rifle is the .35 Remington chambered version. 44 magnum (model 1894)is fine .30-30 is better. And except for availability of ammo .35 Remington is superior. I fired mine yesterday. With its micro-groove rifling barrel I can keep 3 rounds into 1” at 100 yds. After 3 rounds you will lose accuracy as the barrel heats and pulls against the barrel bands causing vertical stringing. Still good enough for a whitetail at 100 yds.
I also shot 2 topbreak S&W in .38 S&W yesterday. A military stock WW2 1911a1 and a 1961 vintage SAA in .45 Colt. It was a good range day.
What utter BS. The 45-70 GOVT far outshines these two in brush hunting. This guy writing this seems to pull information out of thin air. Like saying Marlin 30-30 has killed more deer than any other rifle. What utter BS. How can he/she make this claim. Maybe 30-30 ammunition has but NOT the Marlin.
A .44 magnum CVA single shot rifle 1:20 twist using Barnes bullets and the accuracy was incredible. This gun and ammo are made for each other and is devastating on deer. The 22 or 24 inch barrel on the CVA really drops the sound blast to your ears way down and recoil feels very light to me. In all performance and trajectory is very similar to an in-line muzzle loader loaded with 100 gr powder, and 240gr sabot/bullet. My daughter uses the CVA and the 44 mag rifle will hit as hard at 100yds as the revolver will at point blank, so all you who say 44 mag rifle is under powered for deer- think again. It aint like a .410 with a slug -like when the slug wont exit even at a mere 30 yards.
Now I like a little back-up insurance so I use a more expensive Ruger 44/77 SS bolt action .44 mag with the same Barnes bullets, because it has a 4 round clip, but this rifle also has the 1:20 twist (unlike the 44 lever actions that are 1:38) Compared to the CVA the Ruger has a bit more sound blast d/t shorter 18” barrel, slightly less accurate but still very good, and seems to have slightly more recoil.
Both guns with the Barnes Vor-Tx ammo have fully exited with big holes - deer at 100 yards with broadside shots.
I’m not gonna lose my hearing over some deer! and neither are my kids.
Don’t have a problem with the shot gun other than the caliber, let’s keep it at 12ga.
OK the idea that you have to have a 640 is just ridiculous, if you want to shoot 9mm then get one and take advantage of the higher capacity. My 365 SIG is just a tad bigger but not as wide and carries 11 rds.
Now we’re down to the 30-30. I’ll will have been walking this rock for 70 years next month and most of the time it’s been with a firearm either on me or beside me. More than 60 of these years involved hunting. I can’t tell you off hand how many rifles pistols and shotguns I currently have, and I damn sure can’t tell you how many I’ve owned over these years. What I can tell you is a 30-30 has never entered my house. Worse than mediocre ballistics and out dated for over 100 years.
Keep the Mossy just make it a 12ga.
Ditch the 340 and just get one of the small frame 9mm. SIG and Glock make excellent ones.
Put the 30-30 back on the wall where it belongs. Not a fan of the 308 but would probably have to go with that, some real nice rifles available in that caliber.
Interesting. I’ll have to find part 1 for later amusement.
As to the topic, I don’t entirely agree. I prefer to minimize my caliber (ahem) diversity, so when it comes to shotguns I’ll stick to 12ga. If I feel the need for a lighter round, I’ll get some of the stubby ones that are available now - and get a magazine capacity bump with it.
For a lever, well, I think I’d actually prefer a .357 so that I could share the ammo with a revolver. Can’t exactly say I’m into that, though as I’m not really into that. Being more a fan of things like the CZ75, I picked up the ruger 9mm rifle instead. If I want to hunt, I’ll use my .308.
Due to my occupation, I haven’t gotten a CC yet, but I probably should. If/when I do, it’ll be the little Ruger .380 in my pocket holster.
One of the considerations being - if you ever do have to use it, it’ll end up in an evidence room and you’ll probably never see it again. I’d rather not use an heirloom for that.
More Fudd nonsense from this guy, how many guns is he going to list before he finds his way to an actual fighting weapon?
This dude keeps talking about dialing back the loads for women. As if the poor, fair maidens simply cannot handle a ”real” gun.
Two of my daughters are shooters. And both can accurately shoot anything I can shoot. .25, .380, .38 special, .357, 9mm, .41mag, .44 special, .45 colt, .45ACP, .556. You name it, they’ll shoot them just as good, if not better, than most dudes.
My eldest dated a man whose father was the handgun instructor for Miami PD. One of their first dates was at a range. Him and his dad gave her the princess treatment. Then she took her turn at the line. Left both their jaws on the ground.
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Now I'm not saying it is the end all, but there is not a cartridge out there that is as dependable, versatile, and taken more small game than any other than the simple 22.
One thing I also notice about all the 'end-of-the-world' writers, is they never talk about ammo availability. It's great to talk about needing a shotgun, a high cap sidearm, long gun, CQB rifle, etc, but no one ever talks about what happens after?
Do you save to reload? Will you be in a place where you can reload? Or do you carry a bunch of 22 ammo to barter for other ammo.
This is also the domain of the .22. a box of 50 will go a long way in trading for 5 rounds for the battle rifle.
But I digress. The writer interjects his man-card into play as he says.
My preferences.
Shotgun - 12ga. Check.
Pocket revolver(why?) - S&W 940. Check.
Full size sidearm - I prefer a .45, but 9mm is ok also.(He makes no mention about this)
Long guns - Now we get into preferences and what utility is needed. Battle rifle -
ANYTHING in .308. Bolt or auto.
An AR of some type. AK's are ok, but I think 5.56 is better availability/accuracy.
Utility
Any .22LR rifle. Bolt or semi.
A.22 handgun. Doesn't matter what it is here. Rugers are awesome, so is the Buckmark. Lots to choose from here, revolver or auto.
In the end you pick the weapons your budget can afford.
You don't need multiples of everything, but you should enhance your inventory when the opportunities come, and in the world of firearms they happen pretty frequently if you have knowledge that something like a Glenfield 60 is exactly the same is the Marlin 60.
Dude knows squat about shotguns if he thinks a 12 gauge necessarily blows a snake to bits.
Marlin 1894C .357 mag lever action rifle. 9-shot tubular mag, 18.5” barrel, 6.5 lbs. Very handy. 125 gr. bullets capable of 2200 fps.
Not feeling the .410 as “essential.” Pest control is about all it is good for, and I can’t think of many situations where you wouldn’t be better off with either a 12 gauge or a .22. For snakes. I’d probably just go with No. 8 shot from the 12 gauge—if my neighbors freak out about me discharging a shotgun, then I doubt they’ll calm down if I say “Don’t worry, it was just a .410.” If I really want to use small shotshells, I keep some .45 CCI shotshells around. For armadillos, either gauge birdshot or a .22. I have a friend who uses a pellet gun pretty effectively.
” The 30-30 Marlin is my weapon of choice – and I am certainly not alone. This gun has dropped more deer than any in the entire history of this gun-loving nation.”
If the truth be told.... probably more deer were killed with a 22 rim fire than any other round. But we can’t talk about that.
That said, IMHO, a handgun is the tool you use to fight your way back to the rifle you never should have set down in the first place. For me that means something chambered in 7.62 x 51 mm (.308 Wim), so it’s an M1A1 or AR-10.
A tactical 12 gauge would be number 2, and a then a handgun.
Your theology may vary, but I would go with a 1911A1 in .45ACP. Having seen the .45ACP and 9mm in operational use, side by side, it is no contest, particularly if you are limited to ball ammunition (no hollow points). If I lived in a part of the country where there was a significant possibility of bears, wolves, wild boars, or wildcats, I would choose a Ruger Super Redhawks chambered in 454 Casul. If you are concerned about predators other than human you are going to be using ball (or other hardened) ammunition.
The Ruger 10/22 would be number 4 , because despite having trained on Savage Anschutz myself, the Ruger 10/22 may be the finest marksmanship training rifle available.
I can understand Mike’s choice of the .30-30, because it is generally the largest caliber whose recoil is low enough that everyone, including children, can become comfortable with it.
However, before I worried about a .410 shotgun, or a lever action deer rifle, unless I lived in an extremely rural area, I would have to choose an AR-15 chambered in 5.56 x 45 mm for those occasions when what was behind the target became the primary concern. At short ranges, the 7.62 x 51 mm round punches through a target far more often than I would like.
Just my $0.02 worth and your mileage may vary (YMMV).
“Instead of the 640, get a Sig.....”
I am a Sig guy all the way and was going to get a P365XL when at a big show the Springfield guy demo’ed a new, just out, 9mm Hellcat. Live in country in the woods, have my own range, deer feast in my front yard.
WOW! Closest thing to perfect CC 9mm ever......had to wait to get one, but also has most incredible trigger ever. AND 13+1 mag and 11+1 mag!
Now my 2nd fav pistol after a Sig 1911........
10-22-2019,
RUGER
Smith & Wesson Model 640. I previously recommended a 9mm for concealed carry because I wanted to suggest something a man could use - and that he could also let his wife use should the need arise. My second recommendation is also good for both man and wife. Men will definitely want to use the .357-magnum round in this snub nosed revolver, which features an internal hammer. (I use 145-grain silver tip hollow points). The knockdown power is more than sufficient for a concealed carry weapon. But women will also love shooting this snub nose with a lighter .38-special load. (Many will prefer 110-grain hollow points).
Snubbies take dedication. And...
Men will definitely want to use the .357-magnum round in this snub nosed revolver, which features an internal hammer.
Uhh, probably not. I've owned a steel .357 snubbie for about 10 years. I've shot maybe 2 or 3 cylinders of .357 through it. Not fun.
A good pair of stocks helps, but still not fun.